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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#291576: Oct 5th 2019 at 8:44:37 AM

Sanders was released from the hospital yesterday evening, actually.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291577: Oct 5th 2019 at 8:50:04 AM

If that's in response to me, I'm aware.

But that doesn't mean that more issues cannot arise, especially considering his age and the effort involving in campaigning.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
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#291578: Oct 5th 2019 at 8:57:05 AM

In a stunning turn of events, last night, Fox News Opinion Host Tucker Carlson admits that Trump's call with Ukraine's President to investigate the Biden's was inappropriate and that the President shouldn't have done, and that there's no way to spin it, but also says that this isn't a good reason to impeach him.

Still the fact that Carlson, one of Trump's hardest lackeys, admits that this is bad, it's worth taking note. Expect Carlson to become Trump's newest target of hate and ridicule on Twitter in the next few days.

And if Carlson is admitting this is bad (but not impeachment worthy), imagine what other Conservative Commentators will start saying in the next couple days.

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#291579: Oct 5th 2019 at 8:57:43 AM

Frankly, the man himself will decide.

His supporters want him to stay because of what he represents, and not considerations of his health. His opponents have wanted him to drop out all this time, and to suddenly care as if they care more about Sanders than his supporters is a bit facetious. Ultimately, its up to him, and I suspect the Senator from Vermont for all his faults is idealist enough to fight until he cannot do so anymore.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#291580: Oct 5th 2019 at 8:58:24 AM

With Sanders, I'm not overly fond of him in general (at least as a politician), so my advice for him to get out of politics has a little bit of a bias. I admittedly wouldn't be especially sad if he died, though that's less malicious than it sounds (he's at an age where it wouldn't be premature).

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#291581: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:02:40 AM

Keep also in mind that we have a dedicated topic for impeachment.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291582: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:05:06 AM

Frankly, the man himself will decide.

Well yes, but that's true of literally anything. By that logic, we shouldn't talk about any downside a candidate has because "they'll decide".

If Sanders has health issues then affect his safety and viability as a candidate then there's nothing particularly wrong about considering that a reason to support his resignation.

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#291583: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:05:38 AM

McConnell has a fundraising ad vowing to lead the fight against Trump's impeachment.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#291584: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:06:09 AM

Speaking of health: Trump is now blocking anyone who doesn't have health insurance from immigrating to the US.

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#291585: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:17:42 AM

[up] This is just Trump picking on those incapable of defending themselves again. (with added cruelty and suggestion from Miller, no doubt). Even so, I hope this attempt of "immigrant limitation" fails in courts and won't be invoked.

Speaking of hope, I, personally, can only hope that once this dark period in American history is over, that people won't be discouraged and lose faith in democracy or the political election as a whole due to Trump's constant attempts of cheating the system and the GOP's repeated attempts of undermining the constitution during these last couple of years.

If there's anything Trump will be leaving behind once he's gone, it would be the scar inflicted on the american people and the potentially everlasting divide between them and the "Trump Base" which will stand by him to their deaths, brainwashed by tribalism and petty vengeance towards the left.

The Constitution will need serious additions after this to ensure another Trump won't ever appear again. And the security branches needs to be purged of all political influence from any side, as it needs to be a objective part without any bias that may sway their judgment on matters. Servants of the people, not party.

(Followed this case ever since he got into office...it is maddening when you put the entirety of these last three years together and realize how much damage he has done so far while in office...Like looking at a wall, then step back, and realize that you're looking at the base of Empire State Building without having realized it until years later.)

I hope people doesn't lose faith in the system...I really hope that will be the case here.

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#291586: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:18:48 AM

and to suddenly care as if they care more about Sanders than his supporters is a bit facetious.

I'm sorry, who was doing this?

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Oct 5th 2019 at 12:18:57 PM

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#291587: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:21:51 AM

The Constitution will need serious additions after this

What exactly does the constitution need? Changes to criminal and procedural law seem like they’d do the trick. Even there I’m not sure what really needs to be changed, other than some formerly accepted traditions being codified into law.

The whole “let’s rewrite the laws and purge the government” stance doesn’t exactly seem like a solution, more just another problem.

Edited by archonspeaks on Oct 5th 2019 at 9:22:54 AM

They should have sent a poet.
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#291588: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:25:06 AM

[up][up]

Yeah, really. Sanders is an important voice in the Democratic body politic, but he is not going to win the nomination unless something truly remarkable happens, and his supporters rallying for him to campaign regardless of his health are doing far more harm than the people calling for him to gracefully step aside. We need to focus first on winning the election, second on what sort of policies the next President should pursue, and a distant tenth or twelfth on the cult of personality surrounding whichever candidate wins the nomination.

Previous page, emphasis mine.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
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#291589: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:25:32 AM

[up][up] Mostly clarifications, really... as it is now, it tend to be a bit too vague at too many places...

Edited by TitanJump on Oct 5th 2019 at 6:25:55 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291590: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:45:35 AM

Considering the impossibility of a constitutional convention I would say what the Constitution "needs" is entirely irrelevant, it's not going to happen so we'll just have to make do.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#291591: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:48:09 AM

[up][up] I believe that’s kind of the point. We have the US Code for granular specifics.

But yeah, it’s never gonna happen regardless. My point being that we shouldn’t stumble into something unpleasant in our haste to defeat Trump. This is not the first time “fight fascism with fascism” has come up here.

Edited by archonspeaks on Oct 5th 2019 at 9:48:49 AM

They should have sent a poet.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#291592: Oct 5th 2019 at 9:51:00 AM

@Titan Jump Trump's election was more of a cultural and external problem than a systemic one per se.

Moreover, someone as bad as Trump getting into power is inevitable. The trick is to limit the damage someone like Trump can do. Trump provided a nice stress test for the system, and I'd even say it proves the system mostly works. Things could have gone much worse.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#291593: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:01:37 AM

[up][up]Who suggested fighting fascism with fascism? I thought the idea was to put more concrete limits on the president's power to sidestep Congress, like with executive orders or emergency whatevers.

Edited by Clarste on Oct 5th 2019 at 10:02:29 AM

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#291594: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:03:47 AM

Certain norms probably need to be enshrined into law (financial disclosure being the obvious one), more care needs to be taken with high level appointees (Comey should never have been allowed to rise as high as he did considering he is a person who thinks that it’s okay for the FBI Director to meddle in an election), additionally mechanics needs to be out in place to stop a criminal president doing as they please.

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#291595: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:07:43 AM

Everyone knows you don't fight fascism with fascism. You fight it with fire. You should fight almost everything with fire!

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#291596: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:09:15 AM

[up][up][up] What was being proposed in the post I responded to was a radical rewrite of the Constitution and purges of the judicial and executive branch.

You wouldn’t need to mess around with the Constitution to effect the changes mentioned above, and I’d like to think we all know why purges are never a good idea.

Edited by archonspeaks on Oct 5th 2019 at 10:09:45 AM

They should have sent a poet.
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#291597: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:14:44 AM

You seem to have completely misread it. They were proposing purging the FBI of political something something because of people like James Comey. Not any of the main branches of government.

And "make it harder for another Trump" doesn't mean "radical rewrite."

Edited by Clarste on Oct 5th 2019 at 10:16:20 AM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#291598: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:23:00 AM

[up] They quite literally said those exact two things so there’s not really much room for misinterpretation here.

A purge anywhere would be a colossally stupid idea, and we can rein in the president without, and I quote, “serious additions to the constitution”.

They should have sent a poet.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#291599: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:26:44 AM

So, the Supreme Court decision on whether gay and trans people can be fired without cause is coming up soon.

About how fucked do we look on that front? Genuinely asking. I don’t know if we can trust any of the Republican judges on this, and I’d like to be proven wrong.

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#291600: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:26:56 AM

"Bias"...a purge of political bias.

And "serious additions" to the constitution would involve things such as a clarification of what "High crimes and misdemeanors" entails, along with "removing the majority of the sitting president's power" so that he can't make decisions on his own, but make suggestions, deliver it to congress and the house for a vote, and if accepted by both, get it back to sign and invoke it to take effect. And add a clause so a president doesn't have immunity for any of the crimes they commit while in office, all so they can truly not be "above the law".

Basically remove the monarchy-aspects of the presidency so to speak to make it more democratic.

Edited by TitanJump on Oct 5th 2019 at 7:29:48 PM


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