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Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#291451: Oct 3rd 2019 at 6:50:58 AM

Bowser rarely abuses his minions, something Trump does as much as he tweets.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#291452: Oct 3rd 2019 at 6:54:34 AM

Didn't Shigeru Miyamoto say something to the effect that Bowser is only a villain "on stage"? Whereas for Trump it isn't a stage persona at all.

(with apologies for continuing the derail)

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#291453: Oct 3rd 2019 at 6:56:29 AM

As per usual, comparing Trump to anyone tends to end up being an Insult to Rocks.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291454: Oct 3rd 2019 at 7:38:38 AM

About the snakes and gator moat, I recently came across a Union version of the song Dixie. It mentions a land of snakes and gators in its lyrics.

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#291455: Oct 3rd 2019 at 7:50:24 AM

If Trump is to be compared to anything and not be an insult to what he's compared to, it should be a "Killer Klown".

They even got a fitting theme song for him as well. (Want to hear it, look it up on youtube, since I'm not sure it's okay to link to it here myself.)

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#291456: Oct 3rd 2019 at 8:02:57 AM

"Trump can't even rally Asia against fucking China properly"

I suppose now would be a good time to mention that Trump said yesterday he wants China to investigate Biden too.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#291457: Oct 3rd 2019 at 8:18:56 AM

Because I'm sure Chinese intelligence can be trusted to supply reliable and unbiased information.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#291458: Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:17:42 AM

A little off topic but this thread is the best place I can think of to ask this question.

I got a text from my (much more conservative) brother asking me to watch a video titled "Camp America, Kitty Werthmann Speech". I want to do him the courtesy of actually watching, but my mind is stuck in "consider the source" and the source is a conservative, Second Amendment supporting older brother. Because of that, I'm already not about to watch that video until I can do so in an incognito tab to avoid affecting recommendations even a little.

But I wanted to ask if anyone here knew who Kitty Werthmann was, so I can get an idea of what I'm going into. I found a Snopes page that I'll read as time allows, but from what I've seen there and the fact that most of the results when I looked up her name seemed very right wing, I'm thinking this is someone who treats the Socialist in the Nazi party's name more literally than it should be.

Does that seem accurate?

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 3rd 2019 at 10:19:34 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291459: Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:23:33 AM

A short search has found a Rational Wiki article on her, which if it's even slightly accurate suggests that she's an awful hack. She seems like a reactionary pretending that the reactionaries of the Nazis rose to power because liberals and leftists dared to change traditional social values and structures.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:31:16 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291460: Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:23:47 AM

More or less. She also blames Hitler's rise to power on things like gun control and equal rights for women. She's the current president of a group founded by the late Phyllis Schafly — and if you know anything about Schafly...

Edited by M84 on Oct 4th 2019 at 12:26:09 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#291461: Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:26:27 AM

I don't but context clues give me an idea

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291462: Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:27:26 AM

[up][up]Yeah, reading the snope's article her message is hilariously dishonest.

Hitler didn't give equal rights to women, the Nazis were virulently misogynistic.

She just wants to push policy that they would find agreeable while pretending that her opponents want to bring Nazism, just standard far-right projection.

[up]Right-wing anti-feminist leader who played a key role in blocking the Equal Rights Amendment. She made a career out of saying that women should stay in the kitchen.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:31:04 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#291463: Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:30:17 AM

because liberals and leftists dared to traditional social values and structures.

You know, these kinda arguments always remind me of the "Why did you make me hit you"-type rhetoric used by abusers.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291464: Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:32:22 AM

[up]Indeed, it's fundamentally the same type of argument.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:34:08 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#291465: Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:32:52 AM

That explanation of how the Nazis took over Austria credited to her on Snopes is laughably inaccurate. It’s like a history textbook filtered through Breitbart.

They should have sent a poet.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291466: Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:55:34 AM

If you've read The Handmaid's Tale or watched the series, know that Serena Lovejoy was apparently based on Phyllis Schafly.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#291467: Oct 3rd 2019 at 10:33:55 AM

Isn't it pretty darn hypocritical to tell fellow women to stay in the kitchen while being activists themselves?

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291468: Oct 3rd 2019 at 10:35:56 AM

Yes, it is, that's why I specifically mentioned that she made a career out of opposing women having careers. To underscore the hypocrisy.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#291469: Oct 3rd 2019 at 10:37:44 AM

[up]Being an eighth of Cersei Lannister = mega-hypocrite, yes. <nods>

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Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
#291470: Oct 3rd 2019 at 10:51:25 AM

Right-wing anti-feminist leader who played a key role in blocking the Equal Rights Amendment. She made a career out of saying that women should stay in the kitchen.

And also her son is the one who founded Conservapedia. If you've ever read up on the guy and wondered 'how does someone end up like that?', the answer is having her for a mother.

Angry gets shit done.
MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#291471: Oct 3rd 2019 at 10:53:40 AM

Speaking of such women, is Anita Bryant still alive?

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#291472: Oct 3rd 2019 at 10:59:45 AM

Yes according to Google

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#291473: Oct 3rd 2019 at 11:10:14 AM

Thanks for all your answers guys. It's good to know what I'm likely to see on this matter. Weirdly, it's almost a relief. I didn't get a chance to do more than skim the Snopes article on Werthmann before my work break ended and it almost sounded like she was praising the Nazis, which sounded so off to me given that my brother's like, why he likely sent me this, and the fact he's the one I credit for teaching me about tolerance as a kid, I was starting to wonder if I needed to seriously reevaluate the people in my life. Knowing it's likely "Gun Control Bad!!!!!" and "Obamacare Bad!!!!!" is much more in line with expectation.


On a more on topic and related note, has anyone ever tried framing criticisms of Trump in how his actions have hurt the Republican agenda?

For example, iirc the Republicans might have had a much easier time getting rid of the ACA is Trump hadn't insisted Republicans could replace it with something better, which they proved incapable of doing. Or how he made himself an easy scapegoat how the government shutdown after his response to it on live TV was basically Bring It?

If so, has that had any success where other arguments failed?

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 3rd 2019 at 12:12:29 PM

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#291474: Oct 3rd 2019 at 11:19:00 AM

So speaking of Trump and China, he openly called for China to investigate Joe and Hunter Biden this morning.

President Donald Trump urged another foreign government to probe Joe Biden and his son Thursday, saying the Chinese government should investigate the former vice president and son Hunter Biden over the latter's involvement with an investment fund that raised money in the country.

"China should start an investigation into the Bidens because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine," Trump told reporters outside the White House.

While Trump said he hasn't requested Chinese President Xi Jinping investigate the Bidens, the public call mirrors the private behavior on which Democrats are partially basing their impeachment inquiry — using the office of the presidency to press a foreign leader to investigate a political rival.

It is "certainly something we can start thinking about, because I’m sure that President Xi does not like being on that kind of scrutiny, where billions of dollars is taken out of his country by a guy that just got kicked out of the Navy," Trump said Thursday of asking China to probe the Bidens. "He got kicked out of the Navy, all of the sudden he’s getting billions of dollars. You know what they call that? They call that a payoff."

Just... is this still even Refuge in Audacity, or has it managed to cross the line a third time so that it lands in plain "Wrong" instead?

Edited by ironballs16 on Oct 3rd 2019 at 2:19:47 PM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#291475: Oct 3rd 2019 at 11:21:43 AM

I suspect that such an argument would not likely be very effective as Trump has not been that much of a hinderance to their agenda:

  • He did sign the tax reform bill and he did appoint conservative judges.
  • While he did hurt the Obamacare repeal efforts, it probably didn't make a difference at the end as "repeal and replace" was never a feasible policy.
  • He probably did help his party in the Senate elections of 2018, even if he was harmful to their House prospects.
  • Away from the fireworks, his government has been carrying out a typical conservative agenda.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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