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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#291401: Oct 2nd 2019 at 12:57:42 PM

Not necessarily. The last election was VERY close so even though most Bernie supporters DID in fact vote for Hillary the small number who voted from trump swung the scales. Thing is that in 2020 a lot of Trump's base has been burned by either the trade wars or his other antics. Far too many are still cultishly devoted but enough have been burned that if the Democratic candidate runs a solid campaign they'll have a good enough majority.

If Trump throws a bitch fit and contests the results (which is very possible) I think the military will drag him out kicking and screaming.

Edited by LordYAM on Oct 2nd 2019 at 12:58:29 PM

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#291402: Oct 2nd 2019 at 12:58:05 PM

[up][up]It helps a lot. Heck, there's a remote but not zero possibility that whoever wins the Democratic nomination could end up running against Mike Pence.

[up] One thing that will help is running a candidate who doesn't have as much public baggage as Hillary Clinton did.

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 2nd 2019 at 3:58:53 PM

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#291403: Oct 2nd 2019 at 12:59:23 PM

Not just that, but against a Pence who has either pissed almost the entire nation off by pardoning Trump, or against a Pence who has pissed the entire Republican base off by not pardoning Trump.

[up][up] It wouldn’t be the military who drag Trump out, the Secret Service who drag him into a limo out back and then drive him to Trump Tower.

Edited by Silasw on Oct 2nd 2019 at 8:00:59 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#291404: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:02:44 PM

[up]Man, that team and the driver would deserve medals and goddamn combat pay for putting up with that...

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#291405: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:06:25 PM

Especially because Trump strikes me as one of those people who you hear about smearing shit on the walls while being evicted.

I’m glad that Trump probably isn’t smart enough to actually burn the White House down on his way out, because he’d probably try.

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#291406: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:06:58 PM

> I think the military will drag him out kicking and screaming.

Won't happen,manhandling the former president would be a huge stain on them,in reality Trump would probably be made to accept "Your time in office is over now please go away" in the form of the one thing Trump loves:money and lots of it,over a long period to ensure to keep him quiet

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#291407: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:08:30 PM

I'm not convinced that the elusive candidate with "no baggage" exists. Any given candidate may seem clean now, but in a year, GOP opposition research will have pinned multiple conspiracies, criminal acts and disasters on them one way or the other. And it won't matter if much or all of it is demonstrably untrue, just getting it into the public discourse will have the same effect.

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#291408: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:08:44 PM

[up][up] You expect a victorious democrat to pay Trump a bribe so as to enable a peaceful transition of power?

I don’t think even Biden would do that.

[up] Why did you put “no baggage” in quotation marks when it isn’t what anyone said?

Hillary Clinton had around 40 years of baggage, you can do more damage over 40 years than over 6 months.

Edited by Silasw on Oct 2nd 2019 at 8:11:54 AM

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#291409: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:10:11 PM

The no baggage candidate does exist,its just they are a complete newbie with no experience or any history,they are as far all concerned,a blank

They don't even a name they're just called ???

[up][up]

edit:> I don’t think even Biden would do that.

He wouldn't think to,but I can picture someone else behind the scenes doing it just to keep the peace

Edited by Ultimatum on Oct 2nd 2019 at 8:14:06 AM

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#291410: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:17:12 PM

Does it still count as misogyny (or racism) if you say "Given that the first black president was followed by the most racist man the Republicans could find becoming president, the nation is probably not ready for bold progressive candidates yet so I am going to support old white men in the primary"?

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A procrastination in of itself
#291411: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:17:24 PM

[up][up] That’s not how it works, a “behind the scenes” person can’t do something as huge as bribe an outgoing president to avoid conflict, not unless they’re doing it with their own private money. You’re spouting off a pretty weird conspiracy theory here.

[up] I’d classify that as “fear of sexism/racism”.

Edited by Silasw on Oct 2nd 2019 at 8:18:31 AM

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#291412: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:18:35 PM

Back to the primary, Warren is truly gaining ground on the primary polls, at the cost of, basically, all other candidates. Mostly due to the fact she leads in the category of candidate most Democrats would consider voting for, favourability and second choices.

Life is unfair...
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#291413: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:19:45 PM

If not that then...

A mandated court order that if Trump so much as squeaks they'll release his tax returns

evil grin

edit:> You’re spouting off a pretty weird conspiracy theory here.

OBJECTION!

I am doing no such thing,I am presenting a scenario where someone bribes Trump into complying,I acknowledge it can't happen or won't happen as noted above

Edited by Ultimatum on Oct 2nd 2019 at 8:25:52 AM

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#291414: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:21:20 PM

[up][up] Yeah 538 commented that the impeachment movement could help Warren a lot, for two main reason.

1: The press were probably about to turn on Warren and start giving her unfavourable coverage, they’re going to be far to busy covering impeachment to do that now.

2: A lot of Biden’s (and possibly even Bernie’s) support comes from people who fear that Warren can’t defeat Trump, if Trump looks weak than Warren looks more likely to be able to win and thus that reason for supporting Biden over Warren goes away.

[up] A threat might work, Trump does seem to be a coward at ‘heart’.

Edited by Silasw on Oct 2nd 2019 at 8:22:26 AM

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#291415: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:21:23 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] It seems to be a sort of reflexive defense against racism/sexism. "The country wasn't ready for X, so we'd better play it safe."

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 2nd 2019 at 4:22:45 AM

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#291416: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:29:41 PM

I'm not convinced that the elusive candidate with "no baggage" exists. Any given candidate may seem clean now, but in a year, GOP opposition research will have pinned multiple conspiracies, criminal acts and disasters on them one way or the other. And it won't matter if much or all of it is demonstrably untrue, just getting it into the public discourse will have the same effect.

Less baggage than Clinton =/= no baggage

Yes, something will be found but that doesn't mean that it needs to be especially effective. And it's pretty much impossible that any propaganda campaign that's less then a year-long will possibly be comparably effective to the decade's long one against Clinton.

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#291417: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:32:27 PM

Does it still count as misogyny (or racism) if you say "Given that the first black president was followed by the most racist man the Republicans could find becoming president, the nation is probably not ready for bold progressive candidates yet so I am going to support old white men in the primary"?

I'd say it counts as enabling misogyny or racism. If we retreat from making progressive choices for fear of what hate groups will do, then the nation will never be ready for them.

It's like terrorism. If terrorists blow up a building because people enjoy BLT sandwiches and you, as a society, go, "We better not have any more BLT sandwiches until we deal with this terrorism problem," then you're not actually dealing with the terrorism problem. You're surrendering to it.

Progress is not an inevitability. We can't just sit back and wait until March 4th, 2057, where racism has been scheduled to end forever. Progress happens only when people are working for it, fighting for it, over a prolonged period of time. The moment when half the country doesn't recoil in violent horror at the prospect of a female or minority candidate will come only when women and minority candidates are so commonplace that people have become numb to their existence.

That won't happen if we give up, never run any minority candidates ever again, and let the bigots win forever.

So, at the end of the day, I would say no. Wanting to appease the bigots is not exactly the same as being, one's self, a bigot. But it is exactly as harmful and damaging to the future we're trying to work towards.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 2nd 2019 at 2:35:36 AM

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#291418: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:34:42 PM

So apparently Trump is holding a press conference - suffice to say, he's also lashing out at every opportunity, so Pass the Popcorn on this one.

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#291419: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:35:33 PM

Trump has been melting down since the moment the impeachment inquiry was announced. It's honestly been a thing to behold.

My favorite part of his various eruptions over the past few days was when he claimed, with absolutely no evidence, that House Intel Committee Chairman Adam Schiff secretly wrote the whistleblower complaint himself.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 2nd 2019 at 2:36:36 AM

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#291420: Oct 2nd 2019 at 1:36:47 PM

Got tired of eating the popcorn at this point,save for something actually entertaining,dude is always lashing out,and honestly it's painful to watch him defend himself

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#291421: Oct 2nd 2019 at 2:07:59 PM

My favorite part of his various eruptions over the past few days was when he claimed, with absolutely no evidence, that House Intel Committee Chairman Adam Schiff secretly wrote the whistleblower complaint himself.
He seems to be going off of this story:Schiff, House Intel Chairman, Got Early Account of Whistle-Blower’s Accusations

The right's been using this as some kind of evidence that Schiff was in on it, and proof that it is a "coup". Doesn't matter if it's true or not- this is going to be all the evening hosts on Fox News will harp on for months.

Edited by speedyboris on Oct 2nd 2019 at 2:08:21 AM

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#291422: Oct 2nd 2019 at 2:25:39 PM

Trump's also been saying that Shifty Schiff (because he is far to childish to let a chance for name calling pass by) has committed treason with this act, and that he and Nadler, et al, should put in their resignations. I think he's seriously hoping that this just goes away.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#291423: Oct 2nd 2019 at 3:06:38 PM

Fuck, I wish HE'D just go away. Instead, he's fucking tweeting Nickelback memes. Nothing against Nickelback (I actually kinda like them), but this is the fucking President of the United fucking States. FUCK!

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#291424: Oct 2nd 2019 at 3:12:13 PM

I learned to ignore his twitter,it's not interesting as the other things going on in his administration,in fact its quite dull and predictable,the novelty of a President tweeting his ramblings wore off awhile back

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#291425: Oct 2nd 2019 at 4:45:58 PM

I'm at the point where I'm simultaneously enjoying the train wreck he's gotten into and just wishing the nightmare would be over as soon as possible. No more untrue treason or corruption accusations.

Life is unfair...

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