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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291276: Sep 30th 2019 at 6:10:17 PM

[up][up] Sam Seder is a piece of work all right. And as others mentioned he is not even the worst on this front. Even he thought Jimmy Dore went too far, for example.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#291277: Sep 30th 2019 at 6:16:59 PM

Lord YAM; And why, exactly, do you think she dislikes Warren or Sanders? Criticizing the Green New Deal does not an enemy make.

Robrecht Your friendly neighbourhood Regent from The Netherlands Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
#291278: Sep 30th 2019 at 6:20:20 PM

[up][up] I'm a big fan of Sam Seder and think he's exceptionally fair and relatively moderate for a progressive.

Take that as you will.

Angry gets shit done.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#291279: Sep 30th 2019 at 6:45:09 PM

“She wouldn’t have done it for Bernie” is kind of a non-starter as an argument.

I get the sense that more than anything else Pelosi is a lightning rod for every dissatisfaction with mainline Democrats.

They should have sent a poet.
MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#291280: Sep 30th 2019 at 6:46:48 PM

[up][up][up][up] At least he's no Michael Brooks.

Jesus, that guy is a ball of insufferable smugness

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291281: Sep 30th 2019 at 6:47:22 PM

[up][up]Now that HRC is pretty much retired from public life, they need someone to project their anger on, and Pelosi is the next best thing.

Edited by M84 on Sep 30th 2019 at 9:47:36 PM

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#291282: Sep 30th 2019 at 6:47:52 PM

[up]Pretty much.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#291283: Sep 30th 2019 at 6:54:49 PM

Honestly I was expecting the "she wouldn't have done it for Bernie!" hammer to drop sooner or later considering this poster's history of vocal pro-Sanders statements. Not everything the Democrats do is all about him. As someone who's very cynical about the motives of establishment Democrats I agree with most of this thread that it's got nothing to do with the target being Biden vs. Sanders and everything to do with Trump crossing a blatant Godzilla Threshold of obviousness with his crimes and this being a prime opportunity to do something about him. It could've happened to goddamn Gabbard (well, no it wouldn't, due to her Russian backing, but still) and Pelosi would've still jumped at the opportunity to get rid of Trump as whatever her agenda would be, he's a bigger obstacle than any of the Sanderites combined.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 30th 2019 at 10:30:41 AM

Robrecht Your friendly neighbourhood Regent from The Netherlands Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
#291284: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:05:56 PM

At least he's no Michael Brooks.

Jesus, that guy is a ball of insufferable smugness

In my experience, accusing people of being 'smug' is something people do when someone they disagree with politically says things they can't deny the truth of, but don't like.

See also: The number of times Trumpets accused Hillary of being smug.

Angry gets shit done.
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i'm tired, my friend
#291285: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:11:51 PM

Smugness is when someone believes they're right and that they're better than whoever is wrong. I dunno who this Michael Brooks guy is but if he has that vibe then he has that vibe.

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#291286: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:13:36 PM
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#291287: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:16:03 PM
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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#291288: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:18:23 PM

What the hell!?

I...I don't know how to properly formulate a response to that, but that's...the AIPAC comment is both out of line and off topic, telling someone to go to hell is a personal attack, and despite my strenuous disagreements with her I don't know if its fair to say that Pelosi doesn't care for the environment at all.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Sep 30th 2019 at 10:21:30 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#291289: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:20:38 PM

I’m not sure what the point in arguing this is, considering that it’s about something that didn’t happen and can’t be proven one way or the other.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291290: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:25:53 PM

Reminds me of the arguments that Sanders would have beaten Trump if only he had won the 2016 Democratic nomination.

Edited by M84 on Sep 30th 2019 at 10:26:01 PM

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#291291: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:37:25 PM

Brooks is much more to the left than Seder. I agree with him wholeheartedly on politics and social issues.

It's his know-it-all, holier-than-thou attitude and fanatical praising of Sanders (while tearing to shreds almost every Democrat who isn't him or the Squad) that puts me off him

[up] Wouldn't he have?

Edited by MrHellboy on Sep 30th 2019 at 9:39:05 AM

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#291292: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:37:36 PM

Sanders winning wasn’t guaranteed but he still had a chance.

The point about the environment is that we’re at a tipping point. Something radical like the green new deal is the only way to really forestall a catastrophe for humanity yet Pelosi seems to think that oh it’s too scary. At this point if you don’t support something radical to help the climate than you don’t really care enough even if you THINK you do. It’s like how white moderates were all “Dr King we support equality but you’re just so extreme about it can’t you tone it down?”

The AIPAC thing was part of an analogy. Given the regular human rights abuses Israel gets up to and that AIPAC not only supports Israel despite that but APPLAUDS the human rights abuses supporting AIPAC shows tacit approval (and yes Chuck Schumer has made some pretty disgusting comments; so has Biden).

Edited by LordYAM on Sep 30th 2019 at 7:41:02 AM

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#291293: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:40:45 PM

Am I the only one here who's curious about this piece of news from the WTFJHT feed (which was posted on the previous page)?

Mitch McConnell said the Senate would have "no choice" but to put Trump on trial and vote on removing him from office if the House votes to pass articles of impeachment, addressing doubts he may circumvent Senate procedures. The Republican-held Senate, however, is unlikely to vote to convict Trump and remove him from office. The Constitution gives the Senate the power to try the president if he is impeached by the House, but it does not set a timetable for the process.
  1. Is this a sign that McConnell feels cornered and is cynical about the chances of Trump emerging this with his usefulness for the GOP intact, or an "I'll believe it when I see it"?

  2. That last line... Can this be used as a loophole, in that the Senate Republicans can simply put their vote on the impeachment on hold indefinitely?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291294: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:41:01 PM

There's still no point in arguing about a might-have-been. There's no real basis for the notion that Pelosi wouldn't be pushing for impeachment if Trump was caught asking Ukraine or Australia for dirt on Sanders or Warren or Buttigieg or O'Rourke or Booker or Klobuchar or Gabbard or Yang or friggin' Williamson.

[up][up][up]Remember that he couldn't beat Hillary Clinton in the primaries. And yes, there are a lot of differences between that and the General Election, but still.

Regardless, barring the invention of a machine that lets us look into parallel timelines or universes, there's no way to confirm if he could have won in 2016's general election. Because he lost the primaries.

Edited by M84 on Sep 30th 2019 at 10:46:24 PM

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#291295: Sep 30th 2019 at 7:43:50 PM

[up][up] Moscow Mitch is definitely planning on delaying it as much as possible if and when the House passes the articles. All those pretty words in the beginning are just dressing so that he can say that "they're working on it" if asked about why voting is taking so long.

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#291296: Sep 30th 2019 at 8:17:24 PM

So, does anybody else see as the likely outcome if Trump gets impeached (not necessarily removed), 4 years of a Democrat held back by Republicans, followed by a Repub who's even worse than Trump?

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291297: Sep 30th 2019 at 8:20:11 PM

Worry about that bridge when we get to it. That's not just putting the cart before the horse. The cart hasn't even been built yet and the horse is still an embryo.

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#291298: Sep 30th 2019 at 8:21:58 PM

You know what they say: Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst

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TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#291299: Sep 30th 2019 at 8:22:02 PM

[up][up][up]Any Democrat could probably manage two terms simply by not being terrible, and if Democrats get a Senate majority, they might be willing to kill the fillibuster to get things done. It would depend on the candidate.

Edited by TheRoguePenguin on Sep 30th 2019 at 8:22:11 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291300: Sep 30th 2019 at 8:27:42 PM

[up][up]Except it's not actually the worst-case scenario. The worst case scenario is Trump winning re-election in 2020.

Focus more on the efforts to get Trump out of office, whether it's through impeachment or electing a Democratic Party President in 2020.

Edited by M84 on Sep 30th 2019 at 11:31:10 PM

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