TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

The General US Politics Thread

Go To

Nov 2023 Mod notice:


There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.

If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines before posting here.

Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.

If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules when posting here.


In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM

RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291026: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:32:46 AM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#291027: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:33:47 AM

Hold a sec

-gets a glove puppet-

"But where will we send all the terrorists?!" asked the Conservative

Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 26th 2019 at 6:35:50 PM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291028: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:33:53 AM

Alcatraz hasn't been used as a prison for decades. It's a tourist attraction.

Disgusted, but not surprised
RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291029: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:35:00 AM

[up]Apologies. My bad. Some other high security and low mercy prison.

ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.
singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#291030: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:35:43 AM

(On discussion about an Impeachment specific thread)

I'm also in the against camp for a new thread. But there could be some flexibility on how the header gets applied - but I leave that to the mods.

For example, I think there is room for discussion on other aspects that have been indirectly affected by this formal impeachment enquiry. Such as the question as to how this may affect the Democratic Presidential Primary: does this help Biden or not in the primary? Provided we don't stray into questions on the general (and thus the Republican vs Democrat strategy debate) I think there is room to have that sort of debate without it getting out of hand.


The only danger with Warren getting a bad rep with Wall Street is if that becomes the narrative, and the economy tanks due to Trump's trade wars. Sod's law would have it that the lag effect of the predicted recession means that it hits just as Warren secures the nomination - allowing Trump to attribute causation - which could very easily be swallowed by a public ill-equipped to examine long term cause and effect in complex economic and trade issues.

Edited by singularityshot on Sep 26th 2019 at 11:36:23 AM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#291031: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:35:46 AM

Warren has been running with it, they’re helping her chances by making such demands.

The craziest bit is that some of the lower level Wall Street people are realising that Warren is there best hope for keeping the system alive, Bernie might actually set the place on fire and if they block Bernie they’ll end up eventually facing an actual mob.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291032: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:36:38 AM

Are we seriously advocating for Wall Street bankers to be locked up in inhumane conditions for this? It's not actually illegal.

Edited by M84 on Sep 27th 2019 at 2:37:06 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#291033: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:36:46 AM

[up][up][up][up] Or maybe we can stop talking about blanket-imprisoning people? When has this ever been a viable solution?

[up] It's also exactly the kinda stuff that feeds into the whole "Democrats are actually commies" nonsense the far right loves to spout.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 26th 2019 at 8:38:08 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291034: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:36:58 AM

"But where will we send all the terrorists?!" asked the Conservative

That's actually a fair question. Some people just can't be re-educated and redeemed.

ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#291035: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:38:28 AM

Yeah, that's a reasonable question to do.

Watch me destroying my country
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#291036: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:39:33 AM

Terrorists can be held either in the country they terrorised after a fair trial, or in a POW camp until the war is over.

What shouldn’t happen is them being sent with no trial to a torture camp that’s beyond any legal system.

Edit: Oh and I’d like to ad my voice to the group of people saying that’s it’s pretty disgusting for people to call for bankers to be tortured for being bankers.

Like yeah, imprison people behind massive tax avoidance and climate denial for crimes against humanity, but make it for actual bad things they’ve done, being a banker isn’t inherently a bad thing.

Edited by Silasw on Sep 26th 2019 at 6:41:21 PM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291037: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:41:21 AM

Perhaps sending them to Guantanamo, a place where the rumors aren't hyperbole, might indeed be overkill. Still, I'd probably revamp Guantanamo instead of destroying it. Turn it into a more conventional maximum security prison. And as said before, best to re-evaluate the status of the inmates, analyze their crimes, and deal out their sentences with better accuracy.

Or use on-site prisons too. That's definitely a thing.

[up]My statements exactly (sorry if my wording muddied the waters). Accurate analysis of criminal offenses is a must-have, no matter how slow the process is. We don't want excess inmates taking up resources and focus. And prison labor should probably not be a thing, especially with automation being superior.

Edited by RainingMetal on Sep 26th 2019 at 11:44:25 AM

ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#291038: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:42:26 AM

The point is that these Wall Street people haven't yet done anything illegal.

What they're saying is utterly stupid and counter-productive, but it's not actually grounds for mass arrests.

And engaging in revenge fantasies over this isn't helping anybody.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 26th 2019 at 8:42:46 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291039: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:43:10 AM

Holy shit this is big, we know have polling on the Republican response to impeachment and they absolutely are not behaving in a manner characteristic fo the Republican base

22% of Republicans strongly support impeachment, 10% somewhat support impeachment, and 49% oppose impeachment.

This is just one poll but we have never seen anything like this before, this might actually be the point in which Trump crossed a line surprised

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#291040: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:43:41 AM

Please, the best solution would be to put the bankers to work repairing the country's roads and highways.

EDIT: So much [nja]

Edited by Reflextion on Sep 26th 2019 at 2:44:30 PM

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291041: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:44:23 AM

Or more importantly, their money. I don't think the bankers themselves are fit for hard labor.

Maybe invest some of their spoils into combating climate change to twist the knife further.

Edited by RainingMetal on Sep 26th 2019 at 11:45:00 AM

ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291042: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:45:39 AM

[up]Seriously, enough with the revenge fantasies.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291043: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:45:40 AM

... how's that a problem for them? Optics are only a thing if you're visible. That's bad optics for the DNC, but not for them.

Excuse me? How is that possibly bad optics for the DNC? They aren't responsible for what donors do.

Furthermore, this is absolutely bad optics for them. Even authoritarian rulers have some reason to care about the plebs, and they most certainly do not have anything close to that level of power. I don't know why you seem so deadset on dismissing how terrible this looks.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#291044: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:46:04 AM

Re: Fourthspartan's shock poll:

Trump and Republicans have not yet mounted a defense for this escapade yet. So perhaps that's why the polling is swinging. I suspect that they'll mount a defense and then the polls will settle back into the usual modes.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291045: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:50:55 AM

The results of that poll are rather strange in the other categories. Not that it matters much...

ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291046: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:53:16 AM

Re: Fourthspartan's shock poll:

Trump and Republicans have not yet mounted a defense for this escapade yet. So perhaps that's why the polling is swinging. I suspect that they'll mount a defense and then the polls will settle back into the usual modes.

Indeed, that's certainly a reason to take it with a grain of salt. All the same, it's still shocking that so many of them would possibly consider impeachment.

Considering how small the Republican's base is they can't afford to have people staying home, and if that poll is even slightly accurate then that very well could happen when the Republicans block impeachment.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#291047: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:57:09 AM

> it's still shocking that so many of them would possibly consider impeachment.

They'd support impeachment as it only means the removal of Trump and not the Republican party,once it's clear the election is lost to them they'll throw all their weight behind impeachment

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#291048: Sep 26th 2019 at 12:11:15 PM

Regarding Wall Street's threats, I really hope Warren publicizes the hell out of that. It pretty much guarantees she gets the "Stick it to Wall Street" vote, formerly reserved for Sanders.

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291049: Sep 26th 2019 at 12:14:00 PM

Wonder if Sanders would bemoan that he's become the Unknown Rival to Wall Street. Probably not, as mentioned before, Sanders would be a bit more thorough in scrubbing up Wall Street, much to the non donors' dismay (if they exist?).

ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#291050: Sep 26th 2019 at 12:15:35 PM

That poll is certainly something. I have to wonder, we will start to see Trump's near universal approval among registered Republicans start to crumble?

I'm not holding my breath until I see multiple credible polls on that, mind you.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

Total posts: 417,856
Top