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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#291001: Sep 26th 2019 at 10:26:50 AM

Since so many people disregard or overlook it, would it maybe be an option to make an impeachment-only thread, where it is allowed to discuss in length, pros and cons included?

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 26th 2019 at 7:28:24 PM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#291002: Sep 26th 2019 at 10:28:03 AM

Given the reason for the limitations on the topic, I'd bet no.

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#291003: Sep 26th 2019 at 10:31:54 AM

I think if we did that, people should prepare for more aggressive moderation in the interests of preventing a spiral. I could see it getting locked at the first sign people aren't willing to play nice.

I'm not fundamentally opposed with that established. Just extremely cautious.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#291004: Sep 26th 2019 at 10:33:08 AM

I think that would be fair.

It would still be far less of a hassle than people constantly drifting into a de-facto forbidden topic and being forced back on track. This could be a good vent for all this.

So I'm all for it. Who else?

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#291005: Sep 26th 2019 at 10:38:22 AM

I'm for it with two notes: 1: Honestly, I'd like to see bans if they keep making the posts here. They're really annoying. 2: ... I personally won't be touching that thread until something actually happens.

To be honest, I'm pretty sure the whistleblower complaint will be a nothingburger.

Well, that's not true. I'm sure it's going to be blatantly obvious and make it abundantly clear that Trump acted improperly. But not in any new way. It will have the exact same Could Say It, But... and weasel-y shit that Trump always has that any sane person interprets as "oh. He's threatening them. Huh." But there's always juuuuuuuuuuuuuust enough Shame If Something Happened that the aggressively both-sides-y American public is happy to jump on.

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bitemytail Since: Dec, 2011
#291006: Sep 26th 2019 at 10:39:02 AM

It's worth creating the thread, even if it has to be locked shortly thereafter. It might be fine.

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#291007: Sep 26th 2019 at 10:43:37 AM

I'm against it. Spin-off threads meant specifically to separate a heated and problematic topic away from this thread don't seem to work out very well in practice. I'm reminded of the last spin-off thread that was made recently.

The header is there. If people choose to ignore it and get snarky when reminded of it, then report them to the mods.

[down]Yeah, it was.

Edited by M84 on Sep 27th 2019 at 1:52:12 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#291008: Sep 26th 2019 at 10:46:43 AM

That was the Epstein thread, right?

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#291009: Sep 26th 2019 at 10:48:08 AM

[up][up]Yeah, I agree. Especially when we're talking about something as important to US politics as impeachment. It'll be a pain to quarantine it to its own thread, avoiding the pros/cons of impeachment are the least bad option.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#291010: Sep 26th 2019 at 10:59:21 AM

Now Trump is saying the whistleblower should be punished for treason and alludes to how spies used to be executed (note: Whistleblowers are not spies). Then there's this:

“You know, these animals in the press,” Trump said. “They’re animals, some of the worst human beings you’ll ever meet.”
Dehumanization. I fully expect his rhetoric to get even worse as the impeachment process continues.

Edited by speedyboris on Sep 26th 2019 at 1:08:05 AM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#291011: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:03:59 AM

The whistleblower has been identified as a CIA agent who was working at the White House, by the way.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#291012: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:04:03 AM

A first: Vermont GOP governor backs Trump impeachment probe – Vermont’s governor has become the first Republican chief executive to support impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump but cautions that he wants to know more before any further actions are taken

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/a-first-vermont-gop-governor-backs-trump-impeachment-probe/2019/09/26/c2f22732-e075-11e9-be7f-4cc85017c36f_story.html


Wall Street Democratic donors warn the party: We'll sit out, or back Trump, if you nominate Elizabeth Warren

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/wall-street-democratic-donors-may-back-trump-if-warren-is-nominated.html

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 26th 2019 at 12:06:01 PM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#291013: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:07:38 AM

[up] Are these guys aware that "Wall Street trying to interfere with Democratic primaries" is a case of really bad optics?

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#291014: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:08:36 AM

And since when has anyone in Wall Street showed an ounce of self-awareness to reach such a conclusion?

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#291015: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:11:08 AM

... how's that bad optics for them?

Edited by Larkmarn on Sep 26th 2019 at 2:11:47 PM

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#291016: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:13:39 AM

Not surprising,she's been a thorn in their backsides for ages,and her being elected ia their worst fear,you know how the mob turned to Joker in the Dark Knight because of batman?They'd do the same to her if they could,in this case directly fund Trump

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#291017: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:15:24 AM

[up][up] Because "Wall Street trying to interfere with Democratic primaries" (you know, a process where the people vote on a candidate) is not a good look?

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 26th 2019 at 8:16:40 PM

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#291018: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:16:37 AM

... how's that a problem for them? Optics are only a thing if you're visible. That's bad optics for the DNC, but not for them.

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Ludlow Since: Apr, 2013
#291019: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:17:14 AM

Well that's terrifying. Knowing how stupid the American public is, I can easily see them being swayed by a massive Trump advertising campaign funded by the likes of Disney and other massive corporations.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#291020: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:20:48 AM

Elizabeth Warren should take that statement and frame it. It's free publicity for her: "Wall Street's in a panic, because I'm comin' for them!" Heck, maybe I should make a video with Warren's face to the tune of "When the Man Comes Around."

And I say this as someone who's usually pretty cool with big business. Seriously, this was an own goal.

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#291021: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:25:51 AM

The big donors are out of touch with a lot of people on Wall Street. Remember that we had an article here a while back on how Wall Street people are warming up to Warren as a candidate.

It doesn't really help them to make this statement anyway. They seemed to have forgotten that the DNC doesn't actually rig primaries. The people vote for the candidate.

Edited by M84 on Sep 27th 2019 at 2:29:02 AM

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#291022: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:28:45 AM
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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#291023: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:31:14 AM

No, sending them to Guantanamo is not the appropriate response. Besides, I'd kind of hope that Warren would be willing to shut down Guantanamo.

Edited by M84 on Sep 27th 2019 at 2:32:08 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#291024: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:31:48 AM

> It's high time they got sent to Guantanamo.

Ohh well Hyberbole and all that but no one deserves to rot in there,even wall street bankers

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#291025: Sep 26th 2019 at 11:32:28 AM

Guantanamo shouldn't even be a thing.

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