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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#290976: Sep 25th 2019 at 7:43:13 PM

Yang continues to be living proof of why I don't want techbros running the world.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#290977: Sep 25th 2019 at 8:01:53 PM

I don’t suppose he’s going to go away after this election, is he?

Oh God! Natural light!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#290978: Sep 25th 2019 at 8:02:53 PM

He's gotten a taste of fame and the spotlight.

He's not going away.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#290979: Sep 25th 2019 at 8:16:52 PM

Did I ever bring up how Yang thinks big tech CEOs would be more than happy to foot the bill for his "Freedom Dividend"? You know, 'cause we all know how generous big corporation owners are.

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#290980: Sep 25th 2019 at 11:38:42 PM

....I lament the lack of my discord gifs to properly communicate my feelings on this.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#290981: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:12:58 AM

"Intelligence chief Joseph Maguire testifies following Democrats' impeachment inquiry"

The whistleblower complaint has been released!

Well I'm not getting work done today lol

Edited by NoName999 on Sep 26th 2019 at 6:13:16 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#290982: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:19:45 AM

The whistleblower says White House officials with direct knowledge of the call were the ones who said Trump may have abused his office for personal gain — the IG could have corroborated this.

‏ The most jarring information about the complaint is not what the whistleblower conveyed — it's that the Trump-appointed inspector general investigated the leads and found them "urgent" and credible. https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf

ALSO IMPORTANT: The whistleblower claims more than half a dozen officials corroborated details of the Ukraine episode and its handling by the White House. The IG could have interviewed any/all of them — as well as other witnesses the whistleblower I Ded — to verify the evidence.

Saving you a click

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i'm tired, my friend
#290983: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:21:35 AM

I'll check it out once I'm home from class (and before I leave for work).

i'm tired, my friend
ciyinwanderer Since: Dec, 2018
#290984: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:40:35 AM

[up][up]

Trying to read through the whole report now, but among other things it really makes me want to toast this person as a true American hero.

Edited by ciyinwanderer on Sep 26th 2019 at 9:40:47 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#290985: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:45:04 AM

I wonder what the blacked out stuff is about

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#290986: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:48:34 AM

Who supports impeachment? We now have 220 Democrats in the House who support impeachment or an impeachment inquiry. Not surprisingly, the number shot up significantly after the news on Tuesday.

Edited by speedyboris on Sep 26th 2019 at 6:49:17 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#290987: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:53:19 AM

Last I saw it was literally every House Democrat + Justin Amash

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#290988: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:57:31 AM

Now get the Republicans in the house to agree on Impeachment

I'll wait

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#290989: Sep 26th 2019 at 6:59:33 AM

It could happen, but only after public polling comes out that's strongly in favor of impeachment. They're not going to budge until they decide Trump's brand is toxic to them, and then it'll be a landslide as soon as someone cracks the seal.

Any by strongly, I mean "in the mid 70s or so" at least.

Edited by Larkmarn on Sep 26th 2019 at 10:00:17 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#290990: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:11:06 AM

I remember when the Republic of Korea's (now former) President Park Geun-hye got impeached. A lot of people in the country wanted it to happen, to the point of mass protests.

Edited by M84 on Sep 26th 2019 at 10:11:36 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#290991: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:16:40 AM

Anybody seen what the Evil Turtle doing in reaction to all this mess? He's the guy we need to keep an eye on. Who wants to start laying out the odds if and when he'll chuck Trump under the bus?

Ludlow Since: Apr, 2013
#290992: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:50:41 AM

Do you guys think the impeachment inquiry will help or hurt Trump? I'm kind of afraid, a lot people seem to think this will help him win reelection because it will energize his base and make the Democrats look foolish or corrupt.

I wish we had wait until after 2020 to try something like this, we need absolutely everything to go right next year if we're going to get rid of Trump.

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#290993: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:51:53 AM

You are asking people to weigh the pros and cons...?

Ludlow Since: Apr, 2013
#290994: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:56:19 AM

[up] Nevermind then, I suppose this isn't the place to talk about important issues in American politics. Just ignore my last post.

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#290995: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:59:02 AM

We are asking not to resume arguing pros/cons, and instead stick to news about impeachment, because the former led to endless circular arguing and overheated posts.

You can disagree with this call, but lay off on the snark. This was not a spur-of-the-moment decision.

Edited by nombretomado on Sep 26th 2019 at 7:59:23 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#290996: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:00:06 AM

Something about the Whistleblower complaint from What the Fuck Just Happened Today, emphasis mine:

The whistleblower complaint regarding Trump and his interactions with Ukraine has been declassified and released to the public. The full version of the complaint was released to Congress yesterday. The complaint was filed on Aug. 12, and it raises several issues that go beyond Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The House voted 421-0 to release the complaint. Two House members voted present and 10 did not vote.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-house-idUSKBN1WA33Y

Is this as significant as I think it is that it was near unanimous?

ciyinwanderer Since: Dec, 2018
#290997: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:03:43 AM

[up] I didn't think the House vote to see the complaint was that significant. Republicans can want to maintain the House's authority without wanting to use that information against the president.

Beyond that I considered it a mix of not believing Trump did anything wrong/believing that even if he did there will be no consequences.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#290998: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:05:08 AM

Yeah, I suspect the ones who believe Trump is a victim of a witch hunt wanted it declassified because they think it'll completely exonerate him.

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#290999: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:11:27 AM

Yep. Pretty much everyone wants it because they expect it to support their position. Whether that position is "This evidence PROVES that Trump abused his power," or "This evidence PROVES that Trump is innocent of all charges!"

It's hard to argue the facts when you aren't allowed to see the facts.

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#291000: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:26:36 AM

The exact same thing played out with the Mueller Report, if you remember - Republicans also wanted it released because they expected it to exonerate Trump.

I suspect this kind of "both sides endorsing the same action for opposite reasons" plays out more frequently than we think.

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