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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Which is the big problem with everything regarding Trump: it seems so ridiculously absurd, and violates any sense of how the "real world" should work that people have trouble accepting that it could be true.
Well, to be fair, with Trump it's not so much the world not following narrative conventions, so much as following them a little too well. Basically, it sounds like a poorly-written plot to some sort of cynical political comedy.
Leviticus 19:34I remenber what a book of history said "the issue with telling history is like making your travel equiment for a travel: you always think what you bring with you and what to left out" which is the same principle of stories: depending of what we want to know, other details become pointless
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"![]()
What a lot of people don’t get, is that the past defines our present in very real and quantifiable ways.
Being able to rattle off dates, names, events, etc doesn’t actually mean anything, unless you also have an understanding why it is relevant, and how it gives you a better understanding of the world today.
Edited by megaeliz on Sep 24th 2019 at 12:18:30 PM
Gabbard has qualified for the October debate after two state polls put her above 2% this week.
This means the next debate is up to 12 participants, meaning a split is likely. Frankly, they should be splitting the top and bottom 6, rather than doing it randomly.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Biden nosedives in early-state polls – Recent surveys show the former veep’s leads have vanished in Iowa and New Hampshire, while his South Carolina firewall shows signs of cracking.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/biden-iowa-new-hampshire-polls2020-1510351
Once the dominant front-runner in the Democratic primary, Biden is now marginally trailing Elizabeth Warren in the first caucus state of Iowa and the first primary state of New Hampshire. His South Carolina firewall shows signs of cracking and he's losing his once-overwhelming lead in Florida, according to a raft of recent polling
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The former vice president continues to lead most national polls. He’s run ahead of Trump in general election match-ups in every major poll conducted this year. But the downward trend in Biden’s primary election top-line numbers and favorability ratings — which began long before reports surfaced recently detailing how President Donald Trump pushed Ukraine to investigate old business ties involving the former vice president’s son — suggests several bruising months have taken a toll.
“Biden’s support was always soft. That’s the key,” said Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute. “Unlike some of the other candidates, Biden’s support isn’t as locked in. He doesn’t have that ‘it’ factor.”
The Biden campaign, which has bristled both at media coverage of the candidate and the attention paid to polls, would not comment for this article
Depends - it's Trumpism that needs to be discredited, and Pence I think is too tied to that for it to work.
However, rumour has it that Pompeo is cheesed off with this Ukraine scandal as it is a foreign policy issue (so his remit) but one he had no control over as Rudy ran it as his own private project.
So while I can't imagine the Republicans rallying round Pence as an alternative to Trump, I can imagine Pompeo defecting, using the power of the State Department to put the knife in and in doing so give the Republican party that clean break they would need to try and disavow everything to do with Trump. From that Pompeo could try and make himself the clear alternative to Trump, possibly by advocating some very hawkish foreign policy positions and making Trump's hesitations appear as weakness.
Unfortunately, I think the impeachment proceedings will have the opposite effect. Even so called "moderate" voters don't know how impeachment works at all and will assume that if Trump isn't escorted kicking and screaming by security personnel then "Deh...it was all really a witch hunt! President Trump is right!"
So the "big" story yesterday after the impeachment news broke was that the whistleblower's lawyer previously interned for Chuck Schumer... like, 20 years ago. Ooooh.
Related: ‘SHUT UP, MORON!’ Giuliani Erupts on Fox News Guest for Comments About His Ukraine Involvement
aka: What a complete meltdown on national television looks like.
Edited by speedyboris on Sep 25th 2019 at 6:51:54 AM
