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#290726: Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:32:43 AM

Even the three way battle seems to be heading in a particular direction. That is, Sanders hasn't really gained much traction or momentum from what I can tell. Meanwhile Warren has steadily risen in popularity and if I recall already places second in a lot of polls.

Might be early to say but I'm pretty sure it's going to down between Biden and Warren in the end.

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#290727: Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:34:03 AM

Has she got friends on the other side or something

If by "other side" you mean the Kremlin...there's a nonzero chance. Their whole shtick is to throw money at candidates who do nothing but stir shit up in the USA's political discourse. That and astroturf social media to make them seem more popular than they really are.

Edited by M84 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:36:08 PM

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#290728: Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:42:06 AM

She does seem like a really obvious candidate for the Kremlins to back,too obvious maybe

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#290729: Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:46:25 AM

It's not about being secretive, it's about shit stirring.

Frankly given how badly we lost control of the narrative with collusion there's no point in them trying to be sneaky about it because the American public won't believe Russia's interfering in our politics.

Oh really when?
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#290730: Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:50:26 AM

I'm surprised that Williamson is still in, I figured her profile and book sales have been sufficiently raised.

Stupid arrogant hacks are the people least interested in doing sensible things like dropping out when they are clearly going nowhere, and unlike proper candidates, they lack political careers to jeopardize by staying in long past their defeat.

If by "other side" you mean the Kremlin...there's a nonzero chance. Their whole shtick is to throw money at candidates who do nothing but stir shit up in the USA's political discourse. That and astroturf social media to make them seem more popular than they really are.

I hope the Kremlin is funding Williamson, it'd be great if they wasted their money on a candidate who is irrelevant.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:52:31 AM

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#290731: Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:53:44 AM

It's not about being secretive, it's about shit stirring.

Frankly given how badly we lost control of the narrative with collusion there's no point in them trying to be sneaky about it because the American public won't believe Russia's interfering in our politics.

Yeah. At this point, Putin could just straight out start making appearances at Trump rallies, and the Right would still deny Russian interference.

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#290732: Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:04:26 AM

I remember some Republicans in the Washington Post bragging they sent her money, among others, just to keep as many people in the race as possible to make it confusing for voters.

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#290733: Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:20:12 AM

Yeah, really owning the libs there by... giving them money.

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#290734: Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:36:26 AM

Well, the problem I have with Williamson is that someone who thinks that trying to force Hurricane Dorian away with (essentially) telepathy and prayers isn't crazy isn't someone I'd trust with managing any kind of problem situation.

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#290735: Sep 23rd 2019 at 9:38:44 AM

Williamson is a lunatic. The fact that she's in the race at all indicates that someone has been feeding her ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if she has backing from outside groups who want to use her to disrupt the Democratic primary. It reminds me a bit of Jill Stein from 2016.

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#290736: Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:07:42 AM

Honestly, at this point one should just hope that it's not gonna be Biden.

You might have your personal preferences, but whether it's gonna be Sanders or Warren running, it will be a huge fucking relief.

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#290737: Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:10:36 AM

Sanders running would be worse than Biden, Sanders has all of Biden's misteps with social issues while also alienating moderates and other Democrats.

He would likely win against Trump as well, but his presidency would feature a lot of internal conflict between the Democrats. Add Bernie's "independent" fantasies and yeah, I take Biden over that every day

Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 23rd 2019 at 12:12:44 PM

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#290738: Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:17:41 AM

Saying that Sanders has "all of Bidens missteps" is, quite frankly, utterly ridiculous.

You can hate Bernie for being largely against the Democratic Establishment, ok (even though I highly doubt that any of these disgruntled Democrats are gonna side with Republicans over him) but comparing him to that clueless doofus that is Biden holds no water whatsoever.

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#290739: Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:24:49 AM

Like that time Biden have a speech slamming Obama on Martin Luther King Jr Day...

... Wait...

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#290740: Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:42:14 AM

I remember that but I'm not sure Democratic voters do.

Sanders has his missteps and there's certainly criticism that can be made but I think a comparison to Biden is kind of ridiculous, Biden's gaffes are far worse and he lacks Sander's role in moving the Overton window Left.

There's no contest, Biden's worse.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:42:59 AM

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#290741: Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:50:34 AM

Also, Sanders has some actual policies he's presenting in his run.

Biden....honestly, I can't remember a single tangible thing he's offered in his run so far.

He solely relies on his "I'm better than Trump, and I'm like the Grandfather you never had!" shtick.

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#290742: Sep 23rd 2019 at 10:53:34 AM

[up][up]I agree, Sanders is better in (domestic, Sanders foreign policy is suspect at best) policy terms. But there are serious questions about his ability to actually get his policies implemented, he's not known as a productive politician or as a team player.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Sep 23rd 2019 at 3:05:36 PM

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#290743: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:00:33 AM

Especially as Sanders wants to keep the filibuster, that kinda makes his agenda dead on arrival.

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#290744: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:06:33 AM

I mean, POTUS doesn't get much say in the filibuster, that's up to whoever is running the show in the Senate.

And since Sanders would probably have even less control over a Democratic Congress than your average Democratic President, I doubt that is a huge factor.

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#290745: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:14:45 AM

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Trump admitted that he tried to get Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden's son. On Sunday, Trump told reporters that he spoke on the phone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25, during which Trump said he told Zelensky that he didn't want people like Biden and his son adding to the corruption in Ukraine. "The conversation I had was largely congratulatory, was largely corruption," Trump said, "all of the corruption taking place, was largely the fact that we don’t want our people like Vice President Biden and his son [contributing] to the corruption already in Ukraine." Trump also insisted that he did "absolutely nothing wrong" during the call, adding that it was a "perfect" phone call. (Axios / Vice / Washington Post)

https://www.axios.com/trump-biden-ukraine-phone-call-zelensky-b6aed4ba-c45d-43d6-ae2b-110fc3ed0e48.html

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#290746: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:16:55 AM

Officially they don't, but if we're being real here they will have a huge influence on senators to get them to do what they want. Which is probably why almost all the candidates who are senators had a knee-jerk reaction to say no. They don't like the idea of the executive branch butting in to put pressure on them to do anything.

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#290747: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:27:24 AM

I'm a bit surprised more people aren't suggesting Buttigieg as a possible VP. (I sort of expect the VP to be from the Rust Belt, given how much angst there has been about Hillary losing Michigan/Pennsylvania/Wisconsin/Ohio in 2016).

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#290748: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:41:08 AM

He’d probably work well with say Harris, but Warren taps into a lot of Rust Belt votes with her semi-popularism as is.

I suspect that we’re getting a gender balanced ticket whatever happens, so Bernie and Biden would both pick women V Ps.

I still fear Bernie doing a Mc Cain and picking a crazy VP, such as Gabbard.

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#290749: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:42:40 AM

Knowing Bernie, I can see that. Welcome to the most Cursed Foreign Policy ever

Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 23rd 2019 at 1:43:01 PM

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#290750: Sep 23rd 2019 at 11:47:13 AM

[up] What? Can't be worse than John Bolton as National Security Advisor.

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