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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#290676: Sep 21st 2019 at 5:59:50 PM

President Warren with Biden as a Vice would probably be the best combination possible, with Biden acting the same way he did for Obama (a way to secure the votes of the more centerline Dems and centrists in general).

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#290677: Sep 21st 2019 at 6:01:03 PM

Would you say you have an unfavorable or favorable view of socialism? Favorable Unfavorable Which type of country would you prefer the United States be? A thriving Capitalist country A radical Socialist country Who do you think has a better vision for America’s future? President Donald Trump Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Who do you plan to vote for in 2020?

President Donald Trump A socialist Democrat

Do you think that the federal government should be LESS involved in our healthcare system?

Yes No

Do you have a problem with American taxpayer dollars being used to give illegal aliens FREE healthcare? Yes No Do you agree with President Trump that Democrats have become the party of OPEN BORDERS? Yes No Would you be upset if YOUR taxes were raised in order to pay for more welfare programs for illegal immigrants? Yes No Would you be upset if YOUR taxes being raised in order to pay for socialist programs like the $92 TRILLION Green New Deal? Yes No

Haha wow that's so biased and slanted in its wording it's not even funny. Why don't they just go all the way and make a poll question asking, "Do you think the Democrats are literally Satan incarnate? YES NO"

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#290678: Sep 21st 2019 at 6:06:22 PM

I've heard worse.

"Do you believe that our budget should be balanced by raising taxes, lowering spending, or both?" The poll did not have a "no" answer.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#290679: Sep 21st 2019 at 6:29:21 PM

[up][up][up]Due to geographic (both are East Coast), age (both are on the older side), and personal (neither like each other due to clashes when they were both Senators) issues, a Biden/Warren ticket (no matter who is on which end) is highly unlikely.

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#290680: Sep 21st 2019 at 6:46:53 PM

I've long been of the opinion that the primary winner should peg the runner-up as their VP candidate.

Much as I disdain Sanders, I can't help but think that we would have won 2016 if the ticket had been Clinton/Sanders rather than Clinton/Some Dude I Guess? You want to get out the vote? Put the second-most popular name on the ticket right under the most popular.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 21st 2019 at 7:48:34 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#290681: Sep 21st 2019 at 7:40:55 PM

Though I doubt Sanders would have been content to play second fiddle.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#290682: Sep 21st 2019 at 7:55:03 PM

I feel like ticket balance, age considerations and regional spread matter far more than using the VP slot as a consolation prize.

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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#290683: Sep 21st 2019 at 8:22:15 PM

Last I heard there was fairly little evidence that voters care about the VP pick at all. Realistically, the most important consideration is probably how well they work with the actual presidential candidate

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#290684: Sep 21st 2019 at 9:06:17 PM

Last I heard there was fairly little evidence that voters care about the VP pick at all. Realistically, the most important consideration is probably how well they work with the actual presidential candidate

So far as I know, you're right. They don't care about the VP pick. Unless it's a name they actually recognize, most voters can't be arsed to care about the running mate standing next to the person they're trying to figure out whether or not they care about.

Which is sort of fine, since the VP basically doesn't do anything anyway. 90% of the job is just being the President's understudy.

But voters do get salty when their favorite candidate isn't on the ticket.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 21st 2019 at 10:08:08 AM

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#290685: Sep 21st 2019 at 9:56:00 PM

some good news for a change

For the first time since it was formed after the 9/11 attacks, the Department of Homeland Security is adding white supremacist violence to its list of priority threats in a revised counterterrorism strategy issued Friday.

"The continuing menace of racially based violent extremism, particularly white supremacist extremism, is an abhorrent affront to our nation, the struggle and unity of its diverse population, and the core values of both our society and our department," said Kevin Mc Aleenan, the acting Homeland secretary, in a speech at the Brookings Institute in Washington.

DHS is stepping up its focus on what Mc Aleenan called "targeted violence," in which an attacker selects the target in advance, driven by hate. Racism and anti-Semitism have fueled recent attacks on African-American churches, synagogues, and public places in California and Texas, he said.

The shooting at the Walmart in El Paso hit DHS particularly hard. Six of the victims were family members of DHS employees.

"The majority of our El Paso team, working to protect our nation, uphold the rule of law, and care for vulnerable migrants arriving at our border is Hispanic," he said.

While protecting the nation from foreign-inspired or directed terror attacks remains a core Homeland Security mission, Mc Aleenan said recent mass shootings have "galvanized the Department of Homeland Security to expand its counterterrorism mission focus beyond terrorists operating aboard, to include those radicalized to violence within our borders by violent extremists of any ideology."

The revised strategy said DHS would seek to better analyze the nature and extent of the domestic terror threat and share information with local law enforcement to help prevent attacks. The government will also do more to discourage technology companies from hosting websites that spread radical hate.

DHS will also encourage counter-messaging campaigns "seeking to steer individuals away from messages of violence," according to the new strategy document. And DHS will provide more active shooter training to local law enforcement agencies to help them respond to gun violence.

If anyone wants to to read the full document they released here’s the PDF

It’s actually worth a look if you get a chance. It gives a better look into what we can actually do to prevent it, and how intelligence agencies currently understand the problem.

Edited by megaeliz on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:25:24 PM

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#290686: Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:14:34 AM

@ Goan: Who does Biden think he is, Charles W Fairbanks?!

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#290687: Sep 22nd 2019 at 5:29:30 AM

> President Warren with Biden as a Vice would probably be the best combination possible, with Biden acting the same way he did for Obama (a way to secure the votes of the more centerline Dems and centrists in general).

Personally I wouldn't want him as vice because I wouldn't want him as President, since the role of vice is basically 'back up president'

I'd go with Sanders honestly

Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:29:44 PM

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#290688: Sep 22nd 2019 at 5:36:42 AM

I can't see Sanders being willing to play second fiddle. Castro is probably the best VP pick for most of the front-runners

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#290689: Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:11:05 AM

I'd far prefer Castro as the VP, both Biden and Sanders are too old and the former has a bad relationship with Warren. Castro, on the other hand, is a young up and comer with lots of potential who just needs some time to sink further into the public consciousness.

And there is friendly contact between them.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:11:25 AM

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#290690: Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:29:19 AM

On top of Biden's bad blood with Warren and Sanders being too similar to her, I don't think Biden would want to play second fiddle once again, nor would Sanders bow down in such a situation, so having them as VP seems not only unlikely but also impractical. Someone like Castro is more strategically beneficial.

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#290691: Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:44:16 AM

My grandma (thankfully, my extended family is mostly as Democratic as myself) thinks that Cory Booker would make for a good VP to Warren, since he'd be able to better appeal to black and male demographics.

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#290692: Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:49:54 AM

@Homeland Security finally taking a stance against white supremacy: Cue Trump throwing a tantrum over this treasonous act.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#290693: Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:50:31 AM

My grandma (thankfully, my extended family is mostly as Democratic as myself) thinks that Cory Booker would make for a good VP to Warren, since he'd be able to better appeal to black and male demographics.

Hmm, that's an interesting idea.

I'm not fond of his prior support for Charter schools but I think he might make a decent VP choice for Warren, I still prefer Castro but I don't think I'd be bothered if he was chosen.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:50:55 AM

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#290694: Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:52:11 AM

> @Homeland Security finally taking a stance against white supremacy: Cue Trump throwing a tantrum over this treasonous act.

I'll believe their stance when they act on it

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#290695: Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:33:51 AM

[up] That's why I put the link to a PDF of the document they released.

Terrorism is likely a familiar term to most readers. The term targeted violence may be less familiar. For purposes of this Strategic Framework, targeted violence refers to any incident of violence that implicates homeland security and/or U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) activities, and in which a known or knowable attacker selects a particular target prior to the violent attack. Unlike terrorism, targeted violence includes attacks otherwise lacking a clearly discernible political, ideological, or religious motivation, but that are of such severity and magnitude as to suggest an intent to inflict a degree of mass injury, destruction, or death commensurate with known terrorist tactics.

Domestic terrorists—a phrase typically used to denote terrorists who are not directed or inspired by FT Os—have caused more deaths in the United States in recent years than have terrorists connected to FT Os. Domestic terrorist attacks and hate crimes sometimes overlap, as perpetrators of prominent domestic terrorist attacks have selected their targets based on factors such as race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender, and gender identity.

White supremacist violent extremism, one type of racially- and ethnically-motivated violent extremism, is one of the most potent forces driving domestic terrorism. Lone attackers, as opposed to cells or organizations, generally perpetrate these kinds of attacks. But they are also part of a broader movement. White supremacist violent extremists’ outlook can generally be characterized by hatred for immigrants and ethnic minorities, often combining these prejudices with virulent anti-Semitism or anti-Muslim views.

Even if the underlying rationale and ideologies motivating them differ, terrorism and targeted violence are addressed together in this Strategic Framework because they necessitate a shared set of solutions. They overlap, intersect, and interact. Addressing one threat can require or lend itself to addressing another. Perpetrators and supporters of terrorism and targeted violence use much of the same toolkit to validate their worldviews, engage with like-minded sympathizers, devise plans, and prepare for attacks. Terrorists and perpetrators of targeted violence may be motivated by different ideologies or narratives of personal grievance, and in some cases by none at all, but they often find the online space crucial as they grow closer to mobilizing to violence. These threats may be exacerbated by foreign actors seeking to undermine the Homeland through disinformation campaigns. Terrorists and perpetrators of targeted violence attack targets with similar characteristics, often with similar tactics. Thus, the goals and objectives in this Strategic Framework address these challenges as a coherent whole, emphasizing solutions that can increase the security of the Homeland against multiple threats.

Edited by megaeliz on Sep 22nd 2019 at 11:47:34 AM

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#290696: Sep 22nd 2019 at 1:31:53 PM

Ideally if neither of them gets the nomination (which would be my actual ideal) I'd like Booker or Harris as VP but let's be realistic. You'll need a straight, white male if you hope to win. I'd go with Beto O'Rourke. Yes the pro gun cranks hate him but they're not going to vote for Warren anyway. Contrariwise if tongue Sanders or Biden wins the nom then Harris or Booker would make excellent VP choices, maybe Castro.

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#290697: Sep 22nd 2019 at 2:21:24 PM

I actually don’t know about Castro. He was my VP pick before, but after his confrontation with Biden in the last debate his favorability numbers have taken a beating, and I’m wondering if he’s hurt his image. I’d be willing to wait and see how he handles himself from here, though.

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#290698: Sep 22nd 2019 at 2:44:38 PM

He’s hurt his image such that he’d probably not going to be the nominee, but there’s good odds that he’d already accepted that and that’s why he went after Biden so hard.

Being willing to go on the attack could be good for a VP, it would allow Warren to appear as the consummated professional (also avoid the stigma that comes with women throwing shade) while still having an important democrat taking swings out there.

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#290699: Sep 22nd 2019 at 6:06:28 PM

Yeah, running mates often play the attack dog role. O'Rourke would also be good at that

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#290700: Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:10:02 PM

VP are also supposed to be backups in case the President dies, O'Rourke is an empty suit with barely any experience. He wouldn't be a good VP.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

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