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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#290251: Sep 17th 2019 at 8:54:15 AM

> and thus if he starts a war with Iran he would see his re-election chances plummet as the American public starts feeling the cost.

The war monger penalty is no joke,although I do see him attempting to start a conflict out of spite knowing he'll lose but it will be someone else's problem,like starting a fire because someone else has to put it out

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#290252: Sep 17th 2019 at 8:54:59 AM

Trump has demonstrated over and over again that he has no real interest in a war. That seems highly unlikely.

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#290253: Sep 17th 2019 at 8:59:18 AM

The guy is unpredictable,changing his mind mind constantly depending on his whims,I wouldn't say he'd never go to war because if he thought he could he would

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#290254: Sep 17th 2019 at 9:02:23 AM

If he were as unpredictable as you say war would've happened already.

Archon's point stands.

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#290255: Sep 17th 2019 at 9:09:35 AM

The downside as I see to Trump's disinterest in war is that if a conflict breaks out somewhere that could be solved very quickly with American aid is that he would allow it to escalate out of cowardice.

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#290256: Sep 17th 2019 at 9:17:48 AM

True, but at the same time, that aid would be directed by Trump or people he picks. So America staying out of it might be the best option.

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#290257: Sep 17th 2019 at 9:26:30 AM

Trump isn’t unpredictable. He’s predictably self-centered, he only likes the optics of war and being able to boast about how strong he is, he has no interest in actually fighting a war because that would take the spotlight off him.

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#290258: Sep 17th 2019 at 9:52:32 AM

Trump won’t accept that he’s lost until he does (assuming he does), so a spite war is out of the question until November 2020, at that point I’m pretty sure the military would find a way to loose the war paperwork until the new president is sworn in.

I’ve spent time considering what spite moves Trump could make during a narcissistic breakdown and luckily war looks to be one he’d fail at if he tried.

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#290259: Sep 17th 2019 at 10:49:24 AM

A tropical storm has formed off the coast of Texas, named Imelda. Probably won't develop much before landfall, but hey ... completeness.

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#290260: Sep 17th 2019 at 11:43:36 AM

Trump can't declare a spite war.

The ability to declare war rests with the Legislative branch. Trump has limited ability to perform military actions without a declaration of war under specific circumstances. Those circumstances are uncomfortably broad due to the 9/11 emergency provisions still in place, but it's still not the same as actually starting a war.

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#290261: Sep 17th 2019 at 11:50:02 AM

Trump can however do enough damage that war with someone becomes inevitable because he kept raising tensions throughout his Presidency,it then falls to the next president to either try and lower the tensions or accept that war is now the only way to revolve the situation

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#290262: Sep 17th 2019 at 12:20:22 PM

[up][up] A spite war doesn’t require a formal declaration of war, ordering troops into a country can be done without a declaration.

[up] No, because other countries won’t play Trump’s game, he could try and bait Iran into attacking the US but the Iranian aren’t going to bite and the military will loose any orders he gives them to bomb Iran unprovoked.

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#290263: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:10:25 PM

At worst, he launches a few strikes (probably with drones, though the CIA hates his guts even more than the USAF brass do), and deploys a carrier force or two as a dick waving move. Unless Tehran is stupid enough to escalate shit first with a direct (and lethal) attack on US assets, and even the Revolutionary Guards aren't that dumb.

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#290264: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:17:35 PM

It has always been my fear that someone would see eradicating the Taliban with Nuclear weapons as a good idea,especially if get told they can't send in ground troops,thankfully it's the not 'easy option' that some might be led to believe

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#290265: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:22:56 PM

That’s not a rational fear.

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#290266: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:31:52 PM

The nature of fear is irrational,no one would seriously consider using nuclear weapons to end the threat of the Taliban,no one,however,we have seen chemical weapons (Saddam gassing the Kurds and more recently Assad's use of chemical weapons) naturally the next step would be the use of biological weapons or worse

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#290267: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:35:13 PM

The nature of fear is irrational,no one would seriously consider using nuclear weapons to end the threat of the Taliban,no one,however,we have seen chemical weapons (Saddam gassing the Kurds and more recently Assad's use of chemical weapons) naturally the next step would be the use of biological weapons or worse

Not true, a trans person being afraid of being murdered or having their rights legislated away (as much as they even exist) is a perfectly rational fear.

Fearing nuclear weapons being used in Afghanistan is entirely irrational and thus a waste of good fear.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 17th 2019 at 1:35:34 AM

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#290268: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:40:35 PM

Yeah I remember in 2016 when I did fear the possibility of Trump going nuclear and I was talked down from that irrational fear, since then it’s become very clear that Trump can’t get his insane orders followed.

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#290269: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:43:22 PM

More accurately,my fear is of escalation,especially when conflicts drag on and on while more countries get dragged in,thats when red lines start getting crossed in a name of a quick victory

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#290270: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:48:28 PM

The thing you have to keep in mind with emotions is that they're something we evolved to keep us alive. In most cases, emotion is rational, at least when your emotions are controlled. If fear was intrinsically irrational, we would not have it.

Fearing nuclear weapons being used against the Taliban isn't rational, but I'd say it's more accurate to call it misinformed than anything. It's not how nuclear strikes work.

Also, one shouldn't let themselves feel too much fear over what they can't control. This does apply frequently to politics. Bad politicians make poor decisions all the time-heck, even good ones screw up. Fear won't help that.

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#290271: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:49:28 PM

More accurately,my fear is of escalation,especially when conflicts drag on and on while more countries get dragged in,thats when red lines start getting crossed in a name of a quick victory

The conflict has existed for more than a decade, three years of which Trump has been President. There is no reason to worry about such escalations.

As I said, it's a waste of good fear. If you want to be afraid of anything be afraid of a Democrat losing in 2020 leading to absolutely nothing being done to stop Climate change for at least four years. That is an exponentially more plausible threat to our safety.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 17th 2019 at 1:50:41 AM

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#290272: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:50:54 PM

Are we really going to equate Assad’s use of chemical weapons to the US going nuclear out of nowhere on Afghanistan?

Assad doesn’t have nukes. His situation is also not remotely comparable to the situation the US faces in Afghanistan.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 17th 2019 at 1:54:30 AM

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#290273: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:57:31 PM

The way I see,if your prepared to use chemical weapons then the red line against using other weapons is something your prepared to do,but yeah he does not have nukes,so whatever

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#290274: Sep 17th 2019 at 2:03:19 PM

[up][up] I think Ultimatum is pointing that Assad would use nukes if he had them

Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 17th 2019 at 4:03:37 AM

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#290275: Sep 17th 2019 at 2:08:39 PM

He'd probably use a dirty bomb,not a nuclear weapon

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