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#289501: Sep 6th 2019 at 11:10:50 AM

Breaking campaign promises and telling lies are not the same thing. You can lie without breaking campaign promises. And you can break campaign promises without having actually lied about attempting them. They're completely unrelated things.

Trump using a Sharpie to extend the National Weather Service's map of Hurricane Dorian's path isn't breaking a campaign promise. It's a lie, and I'm pretty sure it's actually illegal, but he never made any specific campaign promises about always presenting hurricane forecast maps in a truthful and accurate manner.

Trump lies as often as he breathes. But he IS trying to build that stupid wall. He IS trying to cut taxes. He IS tearing down American relationships abroad to "put America first". Etc. etc. He is doing or trying to do the terrible shit he promised in his campaign, and the fact that he frequently lies doesn't change that.

Frankly, we'd all be a lot better off if Trump's entire campaign had been a great big f*cking lie and now he was just kicking back in the Oval Office getting rich off of doing nothing. The worst thing about Trump isn't that he was 100% lying his way through his whole campaign. It's that he was actually being uncharacteristically truthful.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 6th 2019 at 12:14:14 PM

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#289502: Sep 6th 2019 at 11:13:45 AM

Here's Politifact on Trump's campaign promises

It's a bit of a mixed bag.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#289503: Sep 6th 2019 at 11:27:57 AM

Take no salary > "If I'm elected president, I'm accepting no salary."

Who needs a salary when he's a billionaire anyway,yeah this feels like easy one to accomplish while he breaks the others

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#289504: Sep 6th 2019 at 11:34:19 AM

I mean, it's less "needs no salary because he's a billionaire" and more "because he has much, much, much more money from the US and foreign governments going to him because of his presidency."

He's making millions straight from taxpayer money.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#289505: Sep 6th 2019 at 12:01:54 PM

The President's salary is pretty small when you consider the amount of work that a (non-Trump) POTUS does. And as other said, he makes more than that through corruption.


In other Trump news, Bolton and Pompeo are not getting along. As in, they don't speak to each other unless they have to.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/politics/bolton-pompeo-not-speaking-tension/index.html

Since Trump likes Pompeo far more, Bolton will probably be out first if it comes to that. But as Kissinger once said about the Iran-Iraq war, its a shame they both can't lose.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#289506: Sep 6th 2019 at 12:16:40 PM

Bolton has been increasingly cut out of the loop for a while now. Allegedly he's been swallowing the fact that Trump isn't as impressed with him anymore for the sake of keeping his regime change dreams for Iran and Venezuela alive.

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#289508: Sep 6th 2019 at 1:16:53 PM

But how else will he undo everything Obama did?

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#289509: Sep 6th 2019 at 1:23:19 PM

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Ironically, they were taken over during the Bush Administration.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#289510: Sep 6th 2019 at 1:24:42 PM

REPUBLICANS: What Bush Administration? He was President decades ago. Junior? Who? Never heard of him.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#289511: Sep 6th 2019 at 1:39:23 PM

"He voted for Clinton, so he's now retroactively a Democrat for all time!"

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#289512: Sep 6th 2019 at 1:39:30 PM

And Bush loves to go all high and mighty on Trump these days, apparently content with his own crimes being largely forgotten due to him.

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#289513: Sep 6th 2019 at 1:51:44 PM

Bush also still funds and supports GOP causes IIRC so honestly his reproachment of Trump rings hollow to me.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#289514: Sep 6th 2019 at 2:20:36 PM

Would CNN have done a climate change town hall four years ago? Much less one that lasted seven hours? Do they even bring climate deniers for "balance" anymore?

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#289515: Sep 6th 2019 at 2:27:21 PM

Y'all joke but I've heard Republicans blaming Obama for the Hurricane Katrina response.

Bush's Presidency really has been largely forgotten. So far as the Right is concerned, we had 8 years of Bill Clinton followed by 16 years of Barack Obama.

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#289516: Sep 6th 2019 at 2:33:36 PM

I'd kill for 16 years of Obama at this rate...

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#289517: Sep 6th 2019 at 2:36:05 PM

Well Bush is a Neocon, which is one of the few things both Left-Wingers AND a huge portion of the right wing hate.

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#289518: Sep 6th 2019 at 3:47:00 PM

[up][up][up]They've blamed him for the Afghanistan and (I think) Iraq wars so why not? And by blame I don't mean continuing, I mean starting them. This is not an administration tethered to reality in any way, shape or form.

Prediction: Even after Dorian is over, even if it comes nowhere near Alabama Trump will claim that it hit Alabama.

Edited by tricksterson on Sep 6th 2019 at 6:50:27 AM

Trump delenda est
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289519: Sep 6th 2019 at 3:57:10 PM

Bush was worse than Trump but that gap narrows every day.

Even so, I should point out I think George W. Bush actually had a desire to do his job. He actually attempted to create a viable situation for the residents of Palestine for example.

It's just he also started a pointless war that killed a million people with its aftereffects.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 6th 2019 at 3:57:30 AM

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#289520: Sep 6th 2019 at 4:02:37 PM

I’ll point out that Bush went to a mosque after 9/11 and asked Americans not to discriminate against Muslims. He was just wrong, modern Republicans are actively hostile.

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#289521: Sep 6th 2019 at 4:03:27 PM

I mean, calling him "worse" than Trump is perhaps an overstatement, or at least requires a rather subjective definition. Traits like actually taking your job seriously and not working for a foreign government, while very low bars, are bars that Trump fails to meet. That Bush meets them, no matter the outcome of his presidency, makes him better than Trump.

Or to put it another way, killing a three people with incompetence is still better than killing one person through out-and-out malice.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#289522: Sep 6th 2019 at 4:12:22 PM

Bush and Trump are each bad in their own ways. Bush for his war mongering, legalizing torture and restriciting civil liberties, Trump for....well, no need for repeating it again, we live it.

Me personally, I'd still say Bush was a worse, but as was said above, that gap narrows every day. So far, the only thing Trump has really going for him is not starting any illegal wars.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289523: Sep 6th 2019 at 4:37:54 PM

[up]Not starting any illegal wars is the only thing, in fact.

However, that's a pretty big thing in the, "Otherwise, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?" mold.

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#289524: Sep 6th 2019 at 4:56:03 PM

Dubya started the worst US war since goddamn Vietnam. However even if Trump surpasses that, he hasn't let America sink into civil war like Pierce and Buchanan, or start a system that'd lead to shit like Jim Crow laws like Andrew Johnson. Only when he does something surpassing that caliber can he legitimately be called the worst president ever

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