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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#289476: Sep 6th 2019 at 8:32:14 AM

Well yeah, bottomline is, that getting a democratic president can only be Step 1. Next step has to be solidifying the House and getting the Senate back. Otherwise, there'll be endless meddling.

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 6th 2019 at 5:32:39 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#289477: Sep 6th 2019 at 8:34:38 AM

A direct tax based tax plan would face too many hurdles — including the Supreme Court — to really be practical.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#289478: Sep 6th 2019 at 8:35:25 AM

Warren may not be your favorite, but at least give her the minimal respect she deserves, rather than assuming she’s lying about her plans or half-assed her research. And please cite a source for your assertion, especially given that you keep presenting it as fact.

Every major piece of Democratic legislation is going to face a constitutional challenge. Obamacare is still facing constitutional challenges to this very day.

This.

Edited by wisewillow on Sep 6th 2019 at 8:37:00 AM

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#289479: Sep 6th 2019 at 8:36:15 AM

[up]I wasn't the one who suggested it was a thought experiment. Another poster did a while back. A defender of Warren at that.

And I give Warren exactly the respect she deserves. I think she's a flawed candidate, but better than most of the rest of the field we've got. She is my "favorite" in the sense that I'll probably be voting for her in the primaries.

Edited by M84 on Sep 6th 2019 at 11:38:14 PM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#289480: Sep 6th 2019 at 8:42:35 AM

Semi-Serious Question: Is there such a thing as a candidate who isn't flawed?

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#289481: Sep 6th 2019 at 8:44:49 AM

Asking for a flawless candidate is like waiting for a unicorn to show up on your doorstep. You'll be sitting there a long time while the world passes you by. Warren is by far the best candidate in terms of her policy positions, in my opinion.

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#289482: Sep 6th 2019 at 8:46:07 AM

[up]I just think she's a bit more flawed than most other posters seem to think. Not enough for me to not vote for her, but enough for me to point out the flaws when I see them.

I don't need a flawless candidate. I voted for HRC after all.

Edited by M84 on Sep 6th 2019 at 11:47:07 PM

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#289483: Sep 6th 2019 at 8:54:12 AM

Every major piece of Democratic legislation is going to face a constitutional challenge. Obamacare is still facing constitutional challenges to this very day.

Seriously, this.

I said this before, but "Republicans will try and stop it" is the "It dies to removal" argument of politics. Republicans will try and stop everything we do. We could pass a motion that sandwiches are tasty num-nums, and Republicans would try to block it both in Congress and in court.

If we handcuff ourselves to a firm standard of only enacting policies that won't face Republican opposition, then we might as well not even run for office in the first place 'cause the only thing we'll be doing in office is sitting with our thumbs up our asses.

And they'll probably still be asking the court to order us to remove our thumbs.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 6th 2019 at 9:55:05 AM

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#289484: Sep 6th 2019 at 8:59:03 AM

Since we've somehow come back to this tax plan...

Democrats give cold shoulder to Warren wealth tax

The headline of course doesn't tell the whole story. A lot of Democratic officials are not getting behind it for various reasons, even if they largely agree with the spirit of the idea. Some are focused on their own tax plan ideas. Others don't want to appear as if they are endorsing any one candidate. They also have some doubts as to whether it will actually perform well in reality.

Edited by M84 on Sep 7th 2019 at 12:06:02 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#289485: Sep 6th 2019 at 9:14:35 AM

Not surprising,wealthy benefactors to either party would be affected by the 'wealth tax' so naturally this is their response

Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 6th 2019 at 4:14:53 PM

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#289486: Sep 6th 2019 at 9:16:17 AM

I don't think it's very reasonable to automatically smear every person skeptical with it as being stooges for the wealthy, especially considering that the criticism seems to be "it won't be very effective, look at my wealth tax instead".

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#289487: Sep 6th 2019 at 9:21:37 AM

Yeah, that's the general tone from their comments. They think they've got more feasible ways to reduce the wealth gap.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#289488: Sep 6th 2019 at 9:22:08 AM

Agreed. AOC in that article was actually fine with Warren's plan despite having her own alternative. Some people just want to give their own ideas a shot first. Which I would expect from every person in Congress.

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#289489: Sep 6th 2019 at 9:45:19 AM

Huh,so googled "Trump promises tax cuts " out of interests and this pops up

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/subjects/taxes/

About the only promises he kept are "Raise tariffs on goods imported into the U.S" and "Create a 10-percent repatriation tax" everthing else was a comprise or a broken promise

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#289490: Sep 6th 2019 at 9:51:33 AM

Though not for lack of trying in the case the The Wall (tm)

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 6th 2019 at 10:51:45 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#289491: Sep 6th 2019 at 9:52:10 AM

Not surprising that the only promises he kept are the corporate tax cut and the tariffs.

[up]It's specifically about taxes. If we talked about every promise Trump made...yeah.

Edited by M84 on Sep 7th 2019 at 12:53:01 AM

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#289492: Sep 6th 2019 at 10:36:34 AM

From what I've heard, Trump's kept a lot of the promises he made, but those promises are terrible.

The problem isn't that his campaign was built on lies; it's that his campaign was built on a platform of violent, racist, classist horror. And he has lived down to that violent, racist, classist horror in every way available to him.

He was being pretty truthful about his intentions to be a white supremacist monster who devours the poor and destroys our relationship with our foreign allies. That's one of the most common Trump Regrets I hear. "I voted for this guy 'cause I thought it was just tough guy rhetoric and he'd really be a responsible President, but then he actually WAS the awful human dumpster fire that I voted for."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 6th 2019 at 11:38:29 AM

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#289493: Sep 6th 2019 at 10:37:54 AM

Tax breaks were a big part of why people voted for him,along with the racist stuff

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#289494: Sep 6th 2019 at 10:41:02 AM

[up][up]"When someone shows you who they are, believe them." If people have realized that since 2016, then at least 2020 may play out a little better.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#289495: Sep 6th 2019 at 10:42:56 AM

Trump's broken a lot of promises and told a lot of lies. Politifact has him making a lot of false statements.

It's just that he was totally honest about the horrible shit.

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#289497: Sep 6th 2019 at 10:51:56 AM

I can only imagine this is one of those "Yes, we know it's unreasonable, but that's the way the rules are written and letting it slide now would seriously compromise our ability to prosecute real crimes under these laws" kinda things, because I have no idea how anyone would profit from that.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#289498: Sep 6th 2019 at 10:55:52 AM

... you don't understand how undermining the administration going "okay, pollution isn't bad, go pollute!" is going to upset Trump?

... Jesus, he really is a Captain Planet villain.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#289499: Sep 6th 2019 at 10:58:17 AM

[up][up]

Because they aren't focused on auto-makers' profits - they're focused on profits for coal, oil, and stomping out any attempts at going green.

Plus what [up] said - the DOJ is now headed by a guy that's overtly loyal to Trump, after all.

Edited by ironballs16 on Sep 6th 2019 at 1:58:45 PM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#289500: Sep 6th 2019 at 11:01:26 AM

Trump's broken a lot of promises and told a lot of lies. Politifact has him making a lot of false statements.

It's just that he was totally honest about the horrible shit.

Multiple times CNN has had an article about how many false statements Trump has made that week and regularly comes up with double digit numbers.


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