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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#289276: Sep 5th 2019 at 12:33:37 AM

@ Mr Hellboy

If I may ask, what exactly don't you like about Warren?

I'm forgetting due to how many pages in this thread but M84 had stated that his misgivings on Warren were because she was connected to Wall Street and that it hit close to home for him.

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Oh, bother.
#289277: Sep 5th 2019 at 12:34:34 AM

[up]That is not it. Not entirely. I've already P Med my other reasons to those who were curious.

Edited by M84 on Sep 6th 2019 at 3:38:13 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#289278: Sep 5th 2019 at 12:40:41 AM

Kinda bad timing for Sanders there, but it made me recall John Oliver covering that very topic.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#289279: Sep 5th 2019 at 12:41:29 AM

He could have worded it better too.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#289280: Sep 5th 2019 at 12:55:42 AM

[up]

That is not it. Not entirely. I've already P Med my other reasons to those who were curious.

My apologies for that.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#289281: Sep 5th 2019 at 2:50:46 AM

And of course Harris is beating the dead plastic straw horse.

Because why go for something of actual noticeable impact when you can champion a (on a global scale) neglible non issue that as a bonus point fucks over a lot of people on the autism spectrum.

...🙄

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Oh, bother.
#289282: Sep 5th 2019 at 2:53:34 AM

I've actually used paper straws. Believe me...they suuuck.

Edited by M84 on Sep 5th 2019 at 5:54:40 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#289283: Sep 5th 2019 at 3:28:42 AM

What have plastic straws to do with autism, anyhow?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#289284: Sep 5th 2019 at 3:38:19 AM

Drinking from a cup vs using a straw is a big deal to them to some,just like eating certain kinds of food or wearing one type of clothing

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akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#289285: Sep 5th 2019 at 3:38:30 AM

[up][up] I was wondering that too, the only thing I can think of is that straws can make drinking easier but as mentioned before paper straws soak right on through. However this applies to more than just autism.

Edited by akanesarumara on Sep 5th 2019 at 12:38:48 PM

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#289286: Sep 5th 2019 at 3:41:59 AM

...how would a paper straw even work?

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#289288: Sep 5th 2019 at 3:46:28 AM

I was unclear, I am sorry. It's not just specifically people on the spectrum (but people there are also affected) but generally all disabled people who for whatever reason cannot drink without the aide of a straw.

Paper Straws are too drippy, Metal straws need to be cleaned and can get bend (and are expensive), etc etc.

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akanesarumara Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#289289: Sep 5th 2019 at 3:47:52 AM

[up] I was about to write "there are reuseable straws made of thicker/firmer plastic too" but then I remembered those need to be cleaned too so those are out as well.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#289290: Sep 5th 2019 at 3:49:06 AM

Paper Straws are in the same category as chocolate teapots,a nice idea that does not work well with holding liquid

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#289291: Sep 5th 2019 at 4:04:24 AM

In short, it's throwing disabled people before the bus to be profilic on an item that is not even remotely near the top of issues but sells well to people who can use and afford alternatives.

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#289292: Sep 5th 2019 at 4:05:30 AM

There are viable biodegradable straws, I’ve seen a few and that does include some paper ones.

The problem is that good paper straws are expensive, so companies tend to buy super crappy ones, thus why paper straws have such a bad reputation.

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#289293: Sep 5th 2019 at 4:23:12 AM

Highlights of the Climate Crisis Forum, Part One.

Pretty much everyone said they'd return to the Paris Agreement and that their plans would achieve net zero carbon emissions by 2050 at the most.

Castro: Raise taxes on polluters by implementing a carbon pollution fee to "help make the investments that we need to make."

End fossil fuel exploration – including fracking – on public lands. Castro does not plan to outright ban fracking, but supports local communities that do so. When asked about his earlier support of fracking, Castro explained he wanted to use natural gas to "wean" the nation off coal but that this rational is no longer sensible.

He also stressed the need to protect poorer communities from the effects of climate change. “I connect the dots to places like Flint, Michigan, and I know that too often times it’s people that are poor, communities of color, who take the brunt of storms that are getting more frequent and more powerful,” he said.

Yang: Set a carbon tax beginning at $40 a ton, growing to $100. Half this revenue would go to UBI and the other half to investing in new sustainable technologies.

Yang supports investments and subsidies for farmers who engage in sustainable farming practices and in companies that would create green tech.

“The trap that Democrats are in is we’re being told that moving toward a green economy is bad for jobs and bad for business, and that couldn’t be further from the truth,” Mr. Yang said. “We can’t fall into this false dichotomy that what’s good for the economy is bad for the planet.”

Harris: Use the Justice Department to sue fossil fuel companies to make them change their practices. Harris’ plan harkens back to her time as a prosecutor when she helped California win an $85 million settlement with Volkswagen for cheating on emissions tests for its diesel vehicles.

Harris supports banning all fracking but would leave nuclear power up the states.

Harris would support ending the filibuster if Republicans continued to kill environmental legislation. This is the first time she has openly supported ending the filibuster.

“People who profit off of harmful behaviors, when you take away that money — because you take them to court and you sue them, as I have done — it’s extraordinary how they will change behaviors. They have to be held accountable.”

Klobuchar: Would not ban fracking, but said “In my first 100 days, I will review every fracking permit there is and decide which ones should be allowed to be continued and which ones are too dangerous.”

Klobuchar wants to incentivize in agricultural practices that promote cover crops and water conservation.

She floated an idea to get people to use less energy by sending out electric bills with a neighborhood ranking because it comes with a sense of competitive accomplishment.

"What really worked to get people to get their energy usages down and turning off the lights off — not necessarily the total, when they saw what their neighbor did, they're real competitive. Now, they don't see the names of the neighbor, but they see the averages are and they think, 'Well, I can do better than this,'" she said.

Biden: Calls for spending $400 billion on clean energy research and development on things like electric cars and clean energy infrastructure, saying those investments will create millions of new jobs. In particular he championed the creation of a high speed rail network to reduce the number of cars.

Biden would not ban fracking nationwide but would ban it from being done on federal land.

He pointed to his experiences with the Paris Agreement as proof that he has the international clout to address the climate crisis from a global perspective with the US leading the way.

"There would be no empty chair. I would be pulling the G7 together. I would be down with the president of Brazil saying, enough is enough... What we have to do is we have to understand that you need to be able to bring people and countries and interests together to get anything done. Plans are great, but executing on those plans is a very different thing."

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#289294: Sep 5th 2019 at 4:36:03 AM

@Klobuchar

I lack my discord emojis to convey just how utterly stupid that electric bill idea is.

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#289295: Sep 5th 2019 at 4:38:28 AM

I would be down with the president of Brazil saying, enough is enough...

I don't know about anyone else, but I do not want anyone who would say this, given who the current President of Brazil is, anywhere near the Presidency.

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#289296: Sep 5th 2019 at 4:57:41 AM

She floated an idea to get people to use less energy by sending out electric bills with a neighborhood ranking because it comes with a sense of competitive accomplishment.

My electric bill already comes with a comparison of my apartment's electric usage to nearby apartments. I don't think it will help that much.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#289297: Sep 5th 2019 at 5:00:14 AM

Warren going flat out against nuclear is hugely disappointing. I was hoping she'd be nuanced on the subject.

But Sanders can fuck off with that coastal rebuild bullshit.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Sep 5th 2019 at 9:05:58 AM

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Kevan from Somewhere, like most. Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#289298: Sep 5th 2019 at 5:06:40 AM

[up][up][up] I think he means talking to Bolsanaro to convince him to stop his shittery.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#289300: Sep 5th 2019 at 5:26:29 AM

Well, Science Marches On on nuclear power vs. renewable energy and it's certainly thinkable to have an all renewable grid, especially in a comparatively thinly populated country like the United States of America. Incomplete-ish Wikipedia page on the topic.

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