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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#289226: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:10:25 PM

[up][up]Would opposing regulation in order to allow more such shootings to take place in order to keep people in fear in order to be able to sell more firearms to frightened people and convince them that they need unrestricted access to those firearms and thus will flock to them for membership be considered more directly linked to terrorism?

I mean, they're not directly carrying out acts of terrorism, but at the very least they're as responsible as Saudi Arabia and other countries that sponsor terrorists.

Edited by danime91 on Sep 4th 2019 at 1:12:04 AM

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#289227: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:15:06 PM

As much as I enjoy sticking it to the NRA, I don't think that labelling them a terrorist organisation is accurate. Or helpful, for that matter. It will only make the second amendment crowd even more fearful of what will happen if democrats take the White House. I don't think we'll like them when they're genuinely scared.

Edited by Kayeka on Sep 4th 2019 at 10:15:12 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#289228: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:16:57 PM

Eh, I wouldn't quite describe Gabbard like that - she's actually wanting to withdraw troops from warzones, for one, which most of the chickenhawks in the GOP are gung-ho for.

The alt-right is non-interventionist, jingoism is not necessary to be a Republican. Even if it has been common in the Republican Establishment.

Would opposing regulation in order to allow more such shootings to take place in order to keep people in fear in order to be able to sell more firearms to frightened people and convince them that they need unrestricted access to those firearms and thus will flock to them for membership be considered more directly linked to terrorism?

I mean, they're not directly carrying out acts of terrorism, but at the very least they're as responsible as Saudi Arabia and other countries that sponsor terrorists.

The comparison still doesn't work, driving up gun sales is not terrorism.

Those countries you mentioned? They directly funded terrorist groups, unless the NRA has done that it's just irresponsible grandstanding to declare them domestic terrorists.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289229: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:23:31 PM

The NRA aren't terrorists but they're absolutely foreign agents and criminals.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#289230: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:26:22 PM

The NRA are enablers. Thatd pretty shitty on its own, but they are not the ones who organized these shootings.

Don't step down on their level and do rabble rousing, stick to the facts.

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 4th 2019 at 10:26:37 AM

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#289231: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:27:26 PM

If you label them terrorists they'd wear it like a badge of pride,what they are is an they're especially annoying pro gun advocacy group with racist ties,they're a hate group without the gumption to carry out or prepare an attack,they don't have an ideology to drive them their goals aside from promoting pro gun views

Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 4th 2019 at 8:28:54 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#289232: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:28:03 PM

Indeed, they're shitty people with blood on their hands, but that itself doesn't make one a terrorist.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289233: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:31:39 PM

What should be done is remove their tax exempt status and cause them to wither on the vine as a for-profit corporation run by morons.

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#289234: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:32:07 PM

They're closer to the West Baptist church,all bark and no teeth but they feed off their infamy

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#289235: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:34:29 PM

Yeah. And so far, being vicious idiots isn't something illegal.

Hell, going after them in this way validates them in the eye of the public.

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#289236: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:34:48 PM

Considering how much gun control legislation their lobbying has blocked over the years, they absolutely did have teeth at one point. It's just that shenanigans from the higher-ups and loss of funding has caused a lot of those teeth to rot and fall out.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289237: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:40:28 PM

The NRA is one of the most powerful lobbyists and backers for the GOP. It is, without exaggeration, a major reason why Bush and Trump were elected.

However


  • Their television station was a complete money pit
  • Embezzlement scandals and blackmail.
  • They donated hundreds of millions of funds to Trump with no reward, unlike coal.
  • A lot of the NRA's alarmism was about Obama and Hillary, which the casual donor didn't feel under Trump.
  • The Russians literally donated 200 million dollars to keep it afloat and didn't renew that.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 4th 2019 at 1:41:12 AM

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#289238: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:42:44 PM

They have teeth and bark,but have they ever bitten someone?

Genuine Terrorists have teeth and they carry out attacks as lone wolves,they've attacked my country and the US on more then one repeatly,they are driven by an ideology to kill innocent people.The NRA would never commit similar attacks but they're the loudest voice to fight back with more guns

Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 4th 2019 at 8:44:43 AM

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#289240: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:50:14 PM

Well, at least he didn't bring any people in danger with this idiocy, unlike another instance...

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#289241: Sep 4th 2019 at 1:54:34 PM

Yes, but they aren't organizing those shootings.

Opposing regulation that could stop gun violence or even terrorism doesn't make one a terrorist.

They aren't organizing them, but they are inciting them.

Disclaimer: I don't actually know how reliable Vox is as a media reporting outlet, but it has a video of the ad in question where the NRA all but calls for civil war against leftists. And I'd rather give the clicks to that than to the NRA's Twitter account, which is where I first saw this ad.

They aren't just opposing regulation; they are actively inciting violence.

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#289242: Sep 4th 2019 at 2:06:28 PM

Let’s put it this way, do you consider Islamic preachers who preach a violent ideology that leads people to terrorism (but do not themselves fund or order terrorist attacks) to be terrorists? Because that’s your comparison point, are the guys pushing Wahhabism terrorists?

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#289243: Sep 4th 2019 at 2:12:56 PM

[up] Creating a toxic atmosphere, for sure. But as long as they are not directly calling for violence, no, no terrorism. The line can get blurry at times, admittedly.

In Germany, we have one of these prominent cases, Pierre Vogel, who always manages to skirt the line.

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 4th 2019 at 11:14:19 AM

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#289245: Sep 4th 2019 at 2:22:23 PM

For anyone wondering, here’s the actual text of the resolution:

WHEREAS, The United States Declaration of Independence declared that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights, and

WHEREAS, The United States Constitution specifically delineates that the country was founded to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, and promote the general welfare, and

WHEREAS, The United States Department of Justice defines terrorist activity, in part, as, “The use of any...explosive, firearm, or other weapon or dangerous device, with intent to endanger, directly or indirectly, the safety of one or more individuals or to cause substantial damage to property;” and

WHEREAS, The United States Department of Justice further includes any individual or member of an organization commits an act that the actor knows, or reasonably should know, affords material support, including communications, funds, weapons, or training to any individual has committed or plans to commit a terrorist act, and

WHEREAS, The National Rifle Association musters its considerable wealth and organizational strength to promote gun ownership and incite gun owners to acts of violence, and

WHEREAS, The National Rifle Association spreads propaganda that misinforms and aims to deceive the public about the dangers of gun violence, and

WHEREAS, The leadership of National Rifle Association promotes extremist positions, in defiance of the views of a majority of its membership and the public, and undermine the general welfare, and

WHEREAS, The National Rifle Association through its advocacy has armed those individuals who would and have committed acts of terrorism; and

WHEREAS, All countries have violent and hateful people, but only in America do we give them ready access to assault weapons and large-capacity magazines thanks, in large part, to the National Rifle Association’s influence; now, therefore, be it

RESOLVED, That the City and County of San Francisco intends to declare the National Rifle Association a domestic terrorist organization

It seems like they’re accusing the NRA of providing material support to actual terrorists.

I’m not sure if advocacy rises to the level of material support, though.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 4th 2019 at 2:29:31 AM

They should have sent a poet.
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#289246: Sep 4th 2019 at 2:32:16 PM

So it’s about how one defines material support.

If a terrorist was on the opposite side valley to a stash of guns and you kept the valley clear and traversable, are you providing material aid to the terrorist?

What level of ill intent is required? Do you have to want the terrorist to get the guns? Do you have to want the terrorist to get the guns because you want him to commit a terrorist attack?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#289247: Sep 4th 2019 at 3:01:14 PM

Eh, I see little value in these symbolic gestures. They'd never stand up to law if replicated in a more relevant (re: state level) body, and they only serve to make our side look hyperbolic.

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#289248: Sep 4th 2019 at 3:31:48 PM

If the terrorist and you both follow the same ideology then yeah,as it is the NRA does not directly supply them with weapons so the analogy falls flat again

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#289249: Sep 4th 2019 at 3:33:56 PM

Jacob Wohl, conservative activist and failed political operative (the guy who tried to get Mueller nailed on a fake Me Too! thing, among other shit) has been charged by California prosecutors for illegally selling securities. He already has a record on this front.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/conservative-activist-jacob-wohl-charged-illegal-sale-securities-n1049761?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#289250: Sep 4th 2019 at 6:47:45 PM

Lock him up?

Susan Davis, Democratic congresswoman from San Diego, will not seek reelection in 2020.

She's won her district pretty comfortably over the years, so this looks like a safe seat to get some new blood. Best wishes, Rep. Davis.


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