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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289151: Sep 3rd 2019 at 12:19:23 PM

Believe me, if I have a choice between voting for Mitch Mc Connell and the Emperor, then I'm probably voting Sith Lord.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
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#289152: Sep 3rd 2019 at 12:51:45 PM

Or Handsome Jack. Remember, that guy has a sense of humor and a diamond pony!

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#289153: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:01:23 PM

Warren is winning over liberal democrats, but that alone is not enough. I can't wait for the young, progressive base of the party to finally take over, because right now, the moderates would rather have someone who seems confused and not too inspiring for electability.

Edited by Grafite on Sep 3rd 2019 at 9:04:55 AM

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#289154: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:02:46 PM

"For the sake of ELECTABILITY, we need a candidate who will utterly fail to excite the base and inspire voter turnout." ~Biden supporters.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 3rd 2019 at 2:03:01 AM

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RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#289155: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:05:50 PM

Clearly they know not the power of Min-Maxing.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289156: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:08:41 PM

I hate Biden too guys but if he's winning the primary then any argument that he's not capable of winning falls short.

Because if Warren was electrifying the base...she'd be winning.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#289157: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:09:11 PM

For the sake of electability, we need a candidate that does not scare the other side into re-voting Trump.

People need to stop acting as if turnout on your side is the only thing that matter. It just does not.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289158: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:09:16 PM

Walmart has stopped selling ammunition.

It also has banned guns in their stories.

It is an amazing policy of "not even the bare minimum of requirement" in gun control.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289159: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:10:20 PM

People need to stop acting as if turnout on your side is the only thing that matter. It just does not.

Again, that's not even the argument.

The turnout so far for Warren has been abyssal.

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#289160: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:17:43 PM

@Septimus: Clinton thought that was a good strategy too, but it failed miserably. The #neverTrump suburbanites in blue states can be lost, they mostly used to vote Republican anyway. Base turnout needs to be the focus, which is how Democrats lost the Rust Belt.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#289161: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:19:08 PM

I hate Biden too guys but if he's winning the primary then any argument that he's not capable of winning falls short.

Because if Warren was electrifying the base...she'd be winning.

Hillary won the primary, that is not evidence of being very effective in the general.

For the sake of electability, we need a candidate that does not scare the other side into re-voting Trump.

People need to stop acting as if turnout on your side is the only thing that matter. It just does not.

The other side is going to be whipped into a frenzy about whatever Democrat we choose, deciding against a candidate out of fear of offending Republicans is never going to be a rational strategy.

Again, that's not even the argument.

The turnout so far for Warren has been abyssal.

I suggest you pay better attention, Warren started very low and has been steadily gaining steam.

It's absolute nonsense to say that the turnout for Warren has been abysmal.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:20:20 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#289162: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:23:39 PM

It's only a few polls so far but several of them have shown her as more popular than Biden and many have pointed out that she's the most popular of the candidates who weren't already large in the public consciousness (i.e. Bernie and Biden).

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289163: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:27:33 PM

Hillary did fine in the general election and as a Bernie Sanders voter, I don't pretend to think he would have done better against Trump. She was a very popular candidate despite all the shade thrown on her. Her losses were due to a very effective campaign run by Trump.

Simple on brand messaging, fame from the fact Trump is a television star, and good old fashioned racism [vomits].

And let's face it, a few hundred votes in the right place would have saved us from our long national nightmare.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#289164: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:38:14 PM

The other side is going to be whipped into a frenzy about whatever Democrat we choose, deciding against a candidate out of fear of offending Republicans is never going to be a rational strategy.

I don't think that this is correct. Pushing extreme candidates often stimulates turnout on the other side and a lot of people are motivated more by a dislike of the other side than by their liking of their own. These people are not dependable for their own side, though.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#289165: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:45:27 PM

Clinton was more electable than Obama right up until he started winning early states.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#289166: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:48:05 PM

Walmart has stopped selling ammunition.

See, the funniest part about this is watching Republicans who supposedly love the free market freak out about a company reacting to market pressures.

They should have sent a poet.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#289167: Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:55:21 PM

Hillary did fine in the general election and as a Bernie Sanders voter, I don't pretend to think he would have done better against Trump. She was a very popular candidate despite all the shade thrown on her. Her losses were due to a very effective campaign run by Trump.

Simple on brand messaging, fame from the fact Trump is a television star, and good old fashioned racism [vomits].

And let's face it, a few hundred votes in the right place would have saved us from our long national nightmare.

I'm not saying that she was incompetent, just that she won the general but still had weaknesses (such as decades of Republican smears) that led her to being defeated in the General.

Winning a primary is evidence for being electable enough to win a primary, and not necessarily anything else.

I don't think that this is correct. Pushing extreme candidates often stimulates turnout on the other side and a lot of people are motivated more by a dislike of the other side than by their liking of their own. These people are not dependable for their own side, though.

Maybe, but what exactly would be an "extreme candidate"?

Should we accept Biden's milquetoast mediocrity just because we're too afraid of offending Republicans?

I'd rather a candidate who actually stands for bringing sweeping change instead of one who seems to be the poster child for why septuagenarian candidates often are a terrible idea.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 3rd 2019 at 1:55:46 AM

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#289168: Sep 3rd 2019 at 2:32:01 PM

If we could effectively dismantle voter suppression, then maybe the Democrats wouldn't constantly have to water themselves down to appeal to the moderates.

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#289169: Sep 3rd 2019 at 2:43:13 PM

I think now would be a good time to remind the thread that during the first Dem debates the Trump campaign was running an attack ad against Biden. This magical candidate that's supposed to not motivate Republicans to come out in drives to vote Trump to keep a Democrat out of office doesn't exist.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#289170: Sep 3rd 2019 at 3:07:23 PM

If we could effectively dismantle voter suppression, then maybe the Democrats wouldn't constantly have to water themselves down to appeal to the moderates.

Indeed, this is another reason why we should focus on bold candidates who will actually do something like that.

I think now would be a good time to remind the thread that during the first Dem debates the Trump campaign was running an attack ad against Biden. This magical candidate that's supposed to not motivate Republicans to come out in drives to vote Trump to keep a Democrat out of office doesn't exist.

Excellent example [tup]

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#289171: Sep 3rd 2019 at 3:37:58 PM

Yeah as much as we may consider Biden a middle-of-the-road centrist, for Republicans he is very much an extremist and they will react accordingly to him.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#289172: Sep 3rd 2019 at 3:41:54 PM

In Republican eyes, even Gabbard would be an extremist.

Its not about politics at all. Its just good, old-fashioned tribalism.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289173: Sep 3rd 2019 at 3:44:35 PM

Biden is a Clintonian Democrat.

The Republican Party has gone from Right to Far Right to Fascist.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#289174: Sep 3rd 2019 at 3:51:29 PM

Speaking of which, are there any Far-Left, outright communist elements in the Democratic Party?

(Genuine examples I mean, not Republican slanders claiming AOC to be a communist)

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#289175: Sep 3rd 2019 at 3:55:02 PM

Nope.

In part because the Democratic Party was against Soviet-style totalitarianism and supportive of independence for repressed Chinese groups.

Not much communist support left outside of those.

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