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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#289051: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:29:32 PM

Regarding the shootings in Texas and in the US overall...

Why not just stop selling ammo to civilians?

Like...completely.

I mean... "No ammo = No more shootings"

The "Pro-Gun" group get to "keep their guns" and the other side can take away the lethal aspect with these weapons.

Isn't that a "win-win" if they just did that instead for banning weapons one-by-one?

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#289052: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:31:38 PM

Unfortunately, it's really not that simple.

i'm tired, my friend
Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#289053: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:32:06 PM

Because pro gunners would try to block the aspect. A gun ain't a gun for them if it doesn't shoot anything.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#289054: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:38:27 PM

Well, that is the literal point of a gun. Also, hunters would rightly point out that they can't use their guns for legit purposes without ammo.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#289055: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:41:15 PM

Besides, I'm pretty sure ammunition counts as "arms" as in the "right to bear arms". Arms aren't just guns, after all.

Edited by M84 on Aug 31st 2019 at 11:43:09 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#289056: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:42:50 PM

There was also apparently a shooting on Friday night at a high school football game in Alabama. Estimates are 10 wounded, likely all students.

A shooting at a high school football game in Mobile, Ala., on Friday night wounded at least 10 people, the police said.

The city’s police chief, Lawrence Battiste, said at a news conference Friday that the victims were between 15 and 18 years old, according to local station WKRG 5. Their conditions were not immediately available.

One person suffered a seizure and another injured his hand in an attempt to escape, Chief Battiste said. It was not clear whether they were among those who had been shot.

Deangelo Dejuan Parnell, 17, was charged with nine counts of attempted murder, Lori Myles, the public affairs director for the Mobile County Sheriff’s Office, said on Saturday.

A motive for the shooting was not immediately known, nor was it was clear why Mr. Parnell had been charged with only nine counts of attempted murder after 10 people had been shot.

Students were gathered at Ladd-Peebles Stadium on Friday night for a game between Le Flore High School and Williamson High School when the gunfire erupted.

Footage from the game on social media showed attendees and football players getting on the ground and taking cover under the bleachers as screams were heard in the background.

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#289057: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:47:51 PM

[up] This just keeps getting worse and worse...

Well, I just tried to be constructive with ways to stop the shootings... due to getting sick and tired of seeing them happen without anything getting done about it beyond "thoughts and prayers"...

What about raising the age-limit for owning and purchasing any guns to "30" then?

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#289058: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:48:54 PM

Even if we did make that happen, we'd just end up raising the age of mass shooters.

i'm tired, my friend
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#289059: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:48:59 PM

[up][up] Any attempt to improve gun control and legislation runs into one gigantic hurdle: The people responsible for gun control and legislation either won't enact it or can't enact it because of the people won't.

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 31st 2019 at 9:50:04 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#289060: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:53:38 PM

That article also has a link to another article about bulletproof backpacks becoming more in demand at the bottom of the page.

I distinctly recall suggesting on these forums that maybe people should start selling bulletproof back to school gear. As a joke.

Welp, that's the free market for you. If there's a demand for something, someone will eventually try to fill it.

Edited by M84 on Aug 31st 2019 at 11:55:37 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#289061: Aug 31st 2019 at 9:11:23 PM

All attempts at doing anything to curb the proliferation of guns, both large-scale and small, sensible and esoteric, keep getting stymied in court by the actions of the far-right.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#289062: Aug 31st 2019 at 9:15:35 PM

If there's a demand for something, someone will eventually try to fill it.

Unless the demand is for sensible gun control.

i'm tired, my friend
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#289063: Aug 31st 2019 at 9:20:55 PM

Figure it out a way for people to earn more cash by banning guns and see if the tune doesn't change.

singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#289064: Sep 1st 2019 at 1:05:25 AM

Those backpacks have been around for quite a few years. They are the symbol of what has been sacrificed to the gun lobby, the innocence of school children. When you buy a backpack for your child, you should be thinking about the colour, the style, the cartoon character that's incorporated into the design.

Thinking about the ballistic stopping power of the Kevlar insert of the backpack should never even be an option.

Still though, what makes me physically sick? Active shooter drills teach kids that if they can't flee nor hide in place they should charge the shooter using the backpack as a shield. If possible, get all your classmates to do so as well and neutralise the shooter by mobbing him.

This is being taught to elementary school children.

Still though, at least I have yet to hear any comments following a shooting that amounts to victim blaming because they wore an unarmoured backpack - as if they were asking to be shot.

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#289065: Sep 1st 2019 at 1:16:05 AM

[up] So...let me see if I got this right.

The "Pro-Gun" faction rather throw kindergartners with kevlar-backpacks at the shooters than putting more regulations on "their" guns?

Isn't that basically the same as shoving the responsibility onto the "victims" for not being able to save themselves from shooters rather than the ones which provided the shooters with the guns in the first place?

Also...

I do not want to see what happens if it turns out that these "Kev-packs" aren't enough to protect these kids from gunfire...

Edited by TitanJump on Sep 1st 2019 at 10:17:21 AM

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#289066: Sep 1st 2019 at 1:23:55 AM

[up]Well, off course they aren't. Wearing kevlar doesn't make you Superman. Getting shot means you still take a heavy blow to your torso, likely bruising your ribs or spine. You're a bit more likely to survive, sure, but running like that won't be any easier. Also, getting hit even once ruins the mesh, dramatically reducing protection.

Edited by Kayeka on Sep 1st 2019 at 10:25:41 AM

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#289067: Sep 1st 2019 at 1:43:54 AM

[up] ...One shot?

Wouldn't "bulletproof" articles then be just a waste of money when up against an assault rifle?

And if the forces involved are that strong, a kindergartner's body won't stand a chance even with protection on his/her back...

They seriously should just ban "military-grade" weaponry from ever reaching civilian hands...

hold on...

What if one put in a "recommendation" system for weapon applications then?

As in "You need four signatures before you can even apply for weaponry purchase for personal use."

One from a Psychiatrist.

One from the police department.

One from the Military branch.

And another from a different psychiatrist just to be sure you're not crazy and haven't bribed the first one for a positive outcome.

That way, everyone applying for weapons would be screened properly, and provide more jobs in the progress to prevent the current number of shrinks to be overwhelmed by applications and just rush the process to ease the workload.

Wouldn't this be a good idea to counter the gun-violence?

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#289068: Sep 1st 2019 at 1:48:06 AM

It doesn't really matter what would or wouldn't be a good idea, as the gun lobby will never allow it anyway.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#289070: Sep 1st 2019 at 1:55:11 AM

[up] Thanks.

Will be heading there now...

sorry for inconvenience.

Edited by TitanJump on Sep 1st 2019 at 10:56:33 AM

PresidentStalkeyes Eats moldy bread and flies into windows from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Do you like me? (Yes ⎕ Definitely ⎕ Absolutely!!! ⎕)
Eats moldy bread and flies into windows
#289071: Sep 1st 2019 at 9:36:46 AM

So, just had a thought; supposing that a three-house trifecta is achieved by the Democrats on or after 2020, what would they need to do in order to stop the GOP from gaming the system and wrangling a second Trump into office come 2024, thus starting a vicious cycle in which a Trumpling gets elected, emboldens bigots and chips away at people's rights, and then gets thrown out only for the subsequent administration to waste all their time undoing all the damage?

Edited by PresidentStalkeyes on Sep 1st 2019 at 5:37:13 PM

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!
TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#289072: Sep 1st 2019 at 9:46:31 AM

[up] Include an obligatory "IQ Test" into the candidate election process and make the passing grade to become an actual candidate 130 as a start?

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#289073: Sep 1st 2019 at 9:47:11 AM

Restoring the voting rights act and taking serious action against Russia would go a long way to preventing another Trump, but there’s no silver bullet, a lot of democratic reforms are needed in the US and even then economic and educational reforms are always going to play a role in stopping popularists coming to power.

Include an obligatory "IQ Test" into the candidate election process and make the passing grade to become an actual candidate 130 as a start?

Because intelligence test gatekeeping has such a good history in US politics...

Edited by Silasw on Sep 1st 2019 at 4:48:36 PM

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#289074: Sep 1st 2019 at 9:49:25 AM

[up] Hey, (shoulder shrug), it would have kept Trump out.

thok That's Dr. Title, thank you! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
That's Dr. Title, thank you!
#289075: Sep 1st 2019 at 9:51:27 AM

[up] You're assuming Trump wouldn't have been allowed to cheat an IQ test.

Edit: On the actual question, it will be difficult since the Democrats are unlikely to get a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, and probably aren't willing to simply throw the filibuster away.

Edited by thok on Sep 1st 2019 at 9:53:00 AM


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