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#288951: Aug 30th 2019 at 12:56:42 PM

Twitter is something that people need to be aware of being both real and not real at the same time.

What is said on twitter has a real impact on the world and the people in it, hate expressed online can cause real-world harm, but at the same time it is not a microcosm of the world as a whole, certain groups have a massively outsized representation on twitter and have that engaged even more though focus on them.

Indeed, Twitter is a very much an amplifier of the loudest voices. Which often tend to be irrelevant kooks or sockpuppets.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 30th 2019 at 12:57:36 PM

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#288952: Aug 30th 2019 at 12:59:13 PM

I too would like to be a centrist, but all the idiocy on the alt-right and corporate puppets force normalcy to hang left by default. They call it the Overton Window.

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#288953: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:03:54 PM

[up] My personal opinion is that you shouldn't want to be Centrist, but I'm biased (also that'd be more a topic for General politics than US politics)

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#288954: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:05:34 PM

You could say Twitter is a collection of Cuckoos and not one of them is a songbird

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#288955: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:07:53 PM

My personal opinion is that you shouldn't want to be Centrist, but I'm biased (also that'd be more a topic for General politics than US politics)

I would agree on both counts wink

You could say Twitter is a collection of Cuckoos and not one of them is a songbird

[lol]

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:08:15 AM

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#288956: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:13:08 PM

Okay, the "the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans, don't bother voting, capitalism must be destroyed now" people absolutely do exist, I see a lot of them.

It's just that they're not common on Tv Tropes because the moderators here are fairly strict when it comes to extreme viewpoints.

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#288957: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:15:32 PM

[up]

The debate, though, is how many of those sincerely believe it, and how many are simply trolls (whether paid professionals or teenaged edgelords). And, as mentioned below, the fact that they're a very Vocal Minority.

Edited by ironballs16 on Aug 30th 2019 at 4:21:24 AM

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#288958: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:17:37 PM

Okay, the "the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans, don't bother voting, capitalism must be destroyed now" people absolutely do exist, I see a lot of them.

No doubt, I've had the misfortune to see their repugnant arguments before.

But that isn't necessarily the same thing as being common.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:17:52 AM

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#288959: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:19:15 PM

You ask them "So if you destroyed capitalism what would the alternative be?" their answer is typically

1)A libertarian style government -shudder-

2)Some form of communism which they'll argue could really work this time!Never mind how much it falls apart when applied to reality,also the times when communist governments existed weren't really communists,or something

3)Anarchy of some kind

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#288960: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:19:30 PM

I would certainly like to see Liberals and Conservatives on even ground, but the Conservatives are really digging their own grave here. Mind you, on most matters I lean to the former. Ironically, I believe Conservative solutions are the ideal way to deal with Conservative-made problems, if you get my meaning.

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#288961: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:22:14 PM

Liberals and Progressives already have a hard time finding common grounds on certain issues, Conservatives and anybody from the Left will never ever reconcile.

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 30th 2019 at 10:23:25 AM

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#288962: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:23:48 PM

Yeah, the arguments tend to go "capitalism has been tried for centuries, and it has failed, therefore we should switch to communism because communism has never been seriously attempted" along with "any communist countries that failed don't reflect badly on communism as an economic theory because those countries were ruled by fascism and fascism is not inextricably linked to communism because one is a political policy while the other is an economic policy".

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:24:06 AM

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#288963: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:23:54 PM

I didn't mean to imply that they ought to share hugs and kisses, but be on even grounds in terms of being morally correct, or at least having a point. In today's environment, conservatives have all but embraced the Card-Carrying Villain stereotype.

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#288964: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:26:42 PM

I think we're veering into General Politics thread territory.

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#288965: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:34:12 PM

[up] What we're veering into is exactly what I complained about earlier with people sayin (paraphrased) 'Leftos say all this shit all the time'.

To which I want to append a big old <citation needed>.

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#288966: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:35:40 PM

Getting back to the US politics but the way Socialism is linked with Communism is really bothersome,you can't say "I'm a socialist" without people automatically assuming you somehow support communism somehow

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#288967: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:37:09 PM

[up][up]Nobody here said leftists say this sort of thing all the time. People simply brought up that radical leftists are a thing online. That's all.

They didn't even say they were the vast majority of leftists online. They simply pointed out they exist.

Please don't misrepresent what other posters are saying.

Edited by M84 on Aug 30th 2019 at 4:38:18 PM

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#288968: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:37:20 PM

Welp, in Incompetent In Chief news, Trump tweeted out a photo that SHOULD have been classified using his phone to take a pic of it, saying "I wish Iran best wishes and good luck in determining what happened at Site One."

This, naturally, has led to accusations of US sabotage of the satellite's launch.

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#288969: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:38:49 PM

Getting back to the US politics but the way Socialism is linked with Communism is really bothersome,you can't say "I'm a socialist" without people automatically assuming you somehow support communism somehow

Yes, the generalizations of all forms of socialism as a Stalinist blob is annoying[1]. Still, on the bright side, it's growing weaker the further the population drifts away from the Cold War and its various propaganda's. So I imagine socialism will eventually stop being a dirty word (it may have to some extent happened already considering Sander's success).

[1]=Admittidely, in my case it's less from any belief in socialism and more my desire as a Poli Sci major for an accurate representation of various fairly different ideologies.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:39:33 AM

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#288970: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:42:07 PM

[up]Nowadays they're more inclined to point to Venezuela as an example of socialism not working out so well in practice.

Edited by M84 on Aug 30th 2019 at 4:43:26 PM

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#288971: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:42:33 PM

Well to be fair, Socialism IS considered the first stepping stone for Communism.

It's just that most Conservatives refuse to accept the reality that it isn't necessarily the end goal. Or that Democratic Socialism is a thing.

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 30th 2019 at 10:42:45 AM

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#288972: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:44:31 PM

Also the existence of National Socialism (nazis) probably doubly confuses/scares them

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#288973: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:46:10 PM

Nowadays they're more inclined to point to Venezuela as an example of socialism not working out so well in practice.

Sure, but without the Soviet Union and the everpresent specter of Soviet-backed socialism, there is a very real chance of an actually nuanced discussion of what, if any, varieties of socialism should be considered.

Well to be fair, Socialism IS considered the first stepping stone for Communism.

It's just that most Conservatives refuse to accept the reality that it isn't necessarily the end goal. Or that Democratic Socialism is a thing.

Right, but communism doesn't mean "authoritarian socialism" it refers to a stateless and classless society which may or may not be possible in a large society.

So socialism does lead to communism (if not necessarily) but that doesn't mean it leads to Stalinism.

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#288974: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:46:19 PM

Don't even get me started.

Right-Wingers trying to shift the blame of Nazism to the left wing is one of my biggest Berserk Button's. I mean, how intellectually dishonest and stupid can you be?

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#288975: Aug 30th 2019 at 1:48:01 PM

[up][up] Alright, that's theoretical talk now. While I agree that "Real Communism" hasn't been practiced yet (as it is pretty much incompatible to human nature, lets be honest), the term "Communism" is too much tied to totalitarian regimes to be used in positive context, imO.

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 30th 2019 at 10:48:19 AM

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