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Cross-posted from the Tropical weather thread: Dorian is now a category 2, predicted to hit Florida somewhere near Palm Beach on overnight Tuesday as a category 4, and then predicted to make a sharp turn to the north and travel up the Florida peninsula.
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"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."So this article is a few months old, but it just came to my attention. I think it is a really fascinating look at how Warren approaches an inside outside strategy for creating change.
Buzz Feed News spoke to activists, consumer lawyers, congressional staffers, and former Obama administration officials about Warren’s work to secure loan forgiveness for Corinthian students, which began in 2014. Warren, they agree, played a pivotal role in the battle.
She did it by turning to what had become the core tool of her political life: a potent combination of grassroots activism, intense political pressure, and detailed analysis of consumer law. And she used that tool in part against her own party’s administration, strengthening a political identity that cut against what was then the mainstream of American liberalism.
Warren took a lasting lesson from the fight, she told Buzz Feed News in a recent interview, one that is now central to her presidential campaign: “Progress in America doesn’t happen without a grassroots army.”
But for someone who often presents herself as a political outsider, Warren also worked extensively within the boundaries of power to help get Corinthian students loan forgiveness — an approach that draws a contrast with Sen. Bernie Sanders, who has put far greater focus on large-scale outside pressure than on internal movements and incremental details.
One former Education Department official called it an “inside/outside strategy”: Warren would hammer the administration publicly at the same time she worked behind the scenes with those government officials, acting, many felt, as an ally.
In the end, the drawn-out political battle resulted in something that was entirely unprecedented: the loans of at least 30,000 students who were defrauded by Corinthian and other for-profit schools were wiped out entirely, at a cost to taxpayers that is in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
Edited by wisewillow on Aug 30th 2019 at 5:27:14 AM
I think Charles is referring to that article last page
about Infowars relaunching their channel after Youtube invited offensive material back, only to get promptly shut back down.
That said it was far enough back that and a page topper so context was lacking.
Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 30th 2019 at 7:41:26 AM
x5 See, that's how I always thought progressive policymakers are supposed to act, and what I figured AOC was trying to do with the Green New Deal. Anyway, this is why I'm not too fond of radical leftists who believe any attempt to work with the (oppressive) system to enact change is somehow a betrayal of their ideals in favor of focusing entirely on the independent revolution. I understand not wanting to put all your eggs in the reform basket but sometimes you have to take those opportunities when you get them in order to make your overall job easier once the time comes. Lasting change requires both internal and external pressure to successfully establish a new homeostasis and I think Warren understands that best.
Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 30th 2019 at 9:48:09 AM
x5 And if memory serves, the reason why she decided to run for Senate was because the Republicans blocked her as Obama's appointee to run the CFPB, as she was seen as too great a threat to the banks that the CFPB was set up to you know, regulate.
It would be a delicious irony if she becomes President - if the Republicans had let her become the CFPB head she might have just stayed there as she nurtured her baby into an effective champion for consumer rights and thus would it would never have occurred to her to go full bore into politics. As it is, she's currently one of the four likeliest people in the US that from January 2021 will have access to the entire spectrum of the capabilities of the executive branch to achieve her aims.
So yeah, good job Republicans in protecting your supporters in the banking sector with that strategy.
Edited by singularityshot on Aug 30th 2019 at 7:00:48 AM
MOD EDIT: We don't need this kind of Take Thats at other posters. I'm sure all five of them are heartbroken you feel that way.
I think most 'radical' leftists are well aware this is how it works, the ones that don't tend to be the 'recent converts'. Twenty-somethings who've realized their lives suck and that the current system is responsible, but who haven't figured out yet that that doesn't necessarily mean the system immediately needs to be burned down completely.
Edited by nombretomado on Aug 30th 2019 at 8:00:58 AM
Angry gets shit done.
x5
Hoooo boy. Look up Warren and Bernie on twitter and prepare to see hundreds of people calling her a lying establishment sell out because she’s got the DNC sorta warming to her.
~Robrecht, note the edit I just made to your post. If you want to have civil conversations, a good place to start is being civil yourself.
Edited by nombretomado on Aug 30th 2019 at 8:18:55 AM
So a thing the last couple of days is Trump backers (first Kayleigh McEnany, and now Stuart Varney) making the absurd claim that he doesn't lie. Like, at ALL. How delusional do you have to be to think this way? Even some of Trump's supporters admit the guy lies but don't care. Which, I don't know which situation is worse but... come on. The guy lies. That's indisputable.
Edited by speedyboris on Aug 30th 2019 at 11:25:41 AM
We're literally counting his lies on a weekly basis
and routinely seeing double digits.
Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 30th 2019 at 12:28:32 PM
X4 In fairness we have no idea how many of the twitter people are actual people as opposed to operatives of foreign intelligence organisations.
Some of them are real people and some of the real people are being genuine (instead of hating Warren for others reasons but pretending it’s because she works with the establishment), but we have no way to measure what percentage of angry twitter people are genuine Americans expressing a truly held political belief.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran![]()
Wisewillow is hardly a centrist, and she didn't say anything about them being leftists or otherwise imply that such a view is common amongst the Left.
I'm not saying that people don't try to push that but I really think you're reading something that isn't there, at least, not this time.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 30th 2019 at 12:53:45 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangTwitter is something that people need to be aware of being both real and not real at the same time.
What is said on twitter has a real impact on the world and the people in it, hate expressed online can cause real-world harm, but at the same time it is not a microcosm of the world as a whole, certain groups have a massively outsized representation on twitter and have that engaged even more though focus on them.
The percentage of idiots on twitter is not the same as the percentage of idiots in the world.
It was a response to a counter-claim that said that most radical leftists like Warren, it’s not unreasonable to consider the response an opposing view that claims most radical leftists dislike Warren and that twitter is evidence of that.
Edited by Silasw on Aug 30th 2019 at 7:55:18 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Youtube wants angry nerds watching WHY THE LAST JEDI SUCKS with millions of views.
They don't want terrorists.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 30th 2019 at 5:54:40 AM
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