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#288501: Aug 23rd 2019 at 5:51:27 AM

As I mentioned before, I don't think Trump really cares about the people of Greenland. He just wants to turn it into a field of "beautiful, beautiful" oil derricks, I'm sure.

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#288502: Aug 23rd 2019 at 5:54:40 AM

The Epoch Times' revenue more than doubled, and the reach of its online content rocketed past that of every other news organization, attracting billions of views across its many platforms.

... how. They're an absolute joke here, how did people start listening to them? Especially since one would think the worst of the Trump base would dislike a Chinese-American newspaper.

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#288503: Aug 23rd 2019 at 5:58:44 AM

Given that he's a US political activist/donor, it should be pertinent to note in this thread that David Koch just died.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Aug 23rd 2019 at 1:59:45 PM

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#288504: Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:08:20 AM

[up]Well, today's off to a pretty good start.

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#288505: Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:12:02 AM

One down, one to go.

What are the odds that the other brother following suit would result in the drying up of the funding that the GOP had been receiving from the two Kochs?

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#288506: Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:14:39 AM

Oh, no doubt they already have a plan in place for who is going to take their place in terms of causing political harm. But I'll take any joys I can get.

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#288507: Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:20:30 AM

I don't know if it's against the rules to celebrate someone's death...but it's one of the Kochs.

So this was my reaction:

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#288508: Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:33:31 AM

I guess this week does owe us. Good going, mid-August.

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#288509: Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:34:36 AM

While I bear no love for the Kochs, it is against forum policy to celebrate anyone's death. So let's exercise decorum.

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#288510: Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:37:08 AM

Rachel Maddow did a piece on the Epoch Times this week. MSNBC video

It's the media outlet for an extremist anti-government Chinese group that has found common cause with Trumpism. Strange bedfellows indeed.

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#288511: Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:20:57 AM

Yep, The Epoch Times is definitely kinda insane. They're basically so vehemently anti-CCP that they're willing to support Trump to stand against them while ignoring the horrible things he does. It's the complete inverse of the pro-Third World dictatorship Western writers.

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#288512: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:01:36 AM

For fun: a new update from the President Supervillain Twitter:

I AM THE CHOSEN ONE!!!

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#288513: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:04:39 AM

Trump joked about trading Puerto Rico for Greenland. Puerto Ricans are joking back.

President Donald Trump has been joking recently about trading Puerto Rico for Greenland. But now it's Puerto Ricans who are the ones laughing — and many say they'd be happy with the trade.

Some called themselves the "Caribbean Vikings" and others shared all the benefits they would have if they stopped being a U.S. territory and became an autonomous Danish territory.

"I don't know about you, but I have no problem with being sold to Denmark," Gabriel René, a digital ad executive, tweeted after The New York Times reported on Trump's remark. A former official told New York Times reporters he heard Trump joke in a meeting last year about trading Puerto Rico for Greenland in order to get rid of the U.S. territory.

On social media, Puerto Ricans took it in stride.

"Denmark is the country with the best education in the world," a man wrote on Twitter.

"Honestly being part of Denmark may be the best thing to ever happen to us," Dartina Marie Pérez, who lives in Puerto Rico, tweeted.

A Puerto Rican podcaster, known as Nieto, shared what some labeled as the Danish "Starter Kit."

"I have been preparing for when Trump exchanges us for Greenland and we are a colony of Denmark," Nieto tweeted in Spanish, sharing photos of "Danish Delights" butter cookies, the TV show "Vikings" and Danish beer bottles.

Others included a Danish-to-Spanish dictionary on their "Starter Kits."

"We're ready," one Twitter user wrote, alongside a picture of a "Conversational Danish" reading book

Under the hashtags #Denmark PR and #Dinamarca PR, meaning Denmark in Spanish, Puerto Ricans started claiming the Danish royal family and shared some of the perks they would get by being a Danish territory.

Regina C. Ortiz tweeted in Spanish, "[Here's] OUR Queen: Margrethe II of Denmark," along with a picture of her.

"We will finally have representation in the Europe [League] and possibly in the World Cup," a Twitter user wrote in Spanish, sharing a photo of the Danish soccer team.

While countless jokes were unleashed after reports surfaced that Trump "has on multiple occasions discussed trying to buy the country of Greenland," a serious diplomatic rupture occurred between the United States and one of its longtime allies.

Trump was scheduled to go to Denmark for an official trip but he canceled it after the country's prime minister said that Greenland was not for sale and labeled his remarks as “absurd.”

The reactions from Puerto Ricans come after Trump voiced, on multiple occasions, his opposition to fund hurricane recovery efforts in Puerto Rico and considered diverting hurricane relief funds to build a border wall.

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#288514: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:12:05 AM

I had a feeling this would be reaction among Puerto Ricans. This administration really hasn't done right by them.

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#288515: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:14:34 AM

Just had a thought - I've noticed in a few places here that a recession is being predicted at some point in the early 2020s. Supposing that Trump is voted out of office before then, meaning that a Democrat will be in the White House when the recession strikes - or if not a recession, then just a general economic downturn - what's the best way to counteract the usual 'boo the economy was going well but then we elected a Democrat and it all went to shit' rhetoric from Republicans, just like I'm pretty sure they did with Obama and Jimmy Carter before him?

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#288516: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:16:16 AM

Seth Moulton Ends 2020 Presidential Campaign With a Warning – Mr. Moulton, a congressman from Massachusetts, had focused his campaign on national security. He hinted at potentially supporting Joseph R. Biden Jr.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/23/us/politics/seth-moulton-2020-drop-out.html

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#288517: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:17:25 AM

There's not a lot you can do when you inherit a recession you did not create,people's reactions will be negetive no matter what you do,though it would be funny of the recession suddenly vanished as soon Trump left office

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#288518: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:26:18 AM

[up][up][up]The only way to really counter that is to try to do everything in our power to correct the downturn, and more specifically to do it in such a way that the average person actually feels that they are better off then before.

Without control of Congress and the Presidency this will almost certainly be impossible.

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#288519: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:26:44 AM

Blaming a Democrat for a recession caused by a Republican is a pretty standard part of the GOP playbook. Indeed, whoever succeeds Trump will have to spend years fixing all the stuff he's broken, and may well be unable to deliver much progress on their major goals until a second term.

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#288520: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:30:13 AM

It's part of the right-wing playbook in general. The Tories have been running on it in the UK ever since 2008.

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#288521: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:33:05 AM

Maybe add a footnote to all their campaign promises that aren't explicitly "fix what Trump broke". Something like "I will work to accomplish such and suchnote "

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#288522: Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:36:13 AM

One of the most daunting crises facing Trump's successor will be the loss of institutional expertise among government agencies. So many qualified and experienced personnel have quit, been forced to quit, or otherwise left government service during his term that simply getting these agencies to work effectively again will be an enormous undertaking.

Never mind getting all of the hacks and cronies out that were hired during the same period. It's hard to fire federal employees directly, for very good reasons, but this does mean liberal use of Reassigned to Antarctica.

Edited to add: Also, there are security concerns to consider. Think about all the ideologically motivated dickwads that have gone into Trump's government. If a Democrat wins and starts eliminating them, expect all sorts of material to start leaking.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 23rd 2019 at 12:49:59 PM

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#288523: Aug 23rd 2019 at 10:20:17 AM

Trump joked about trading Puerto Rico for Greenland. Puerto Ricans are joking back.

Looks like my comment about Puerto Rico became Hilarious in Hindsight.

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#288524: Aug 23rd 2019 at 10:23:30 AM

Speaking of Puerto Rico, what conditions would have to be met in the US government before statehood can be granted? The obvious ones would be Democratic presidency and senate majority, and probably some workaround to the filibuster, but are there other hurdles?

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#288525: Aug 23rd 2019 at 10:28:45 AM

[up][up][up]I can already here the Fox News Stories about how the Socialist Democrats are    PURGING    X Federal Department of employees who simply have conservative politics.


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