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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#288351: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:14:02 PM

Ayn Rand was a free market capitalist who believed the government was an inherently negative force.

Closer to Anarchist than Fascist.

The government might as well not exist in her Wild West world.

The GOP claiming Rand and Jesus means they understand and care about neither.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 21st 2019 at 12:14:33 PM

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#288352: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:18:11 PM

Ayn Rand was a free market capitalist who believed the government was an inherently negative force.

Closer to Anarchist than Fascist.

The government might as well not exist in her Wild West world.

The GOP claiming Rand and Jesus means they understand and care about neither.

No, that's not what anarchism means.

Anarchism is the opposition of stratified hierarchy, of all types, not just government.

Ayn Rand didn't like state hierarchy but strongly supported corporate hierarchy, she was no anarchist.

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#288353: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:22:33 PM

Regretfully, An-Caps are a thing, though I don't know if that would be a good description of Objectivism...

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#288354: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:23:32 PM

They're a thing, but I don't consider them to be any more anarchistic than North Korea is democratic.

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#288355: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:45:35 PM

Objectivism is about enshrining selfishness in a literal sense. It is the idea of the sovereign self, raising the individual as supreme over all forms of hierarchy. In its purest form, it rejects not only social organizations but also concepts like self-sacrifice and altruism. Each person takes exactly as much as they can from the world and competes with others to reach the top of the food chain, or rejects it and lives where they don't have to compete. To accept aid from society is a form of weakness.

Objectivism also rejects religion for a variety of reasons, among them its insistence on adherence to dogma and hierarchy. This part is gleefully ignored by right-wingers who claim to espouse the philosophy.

Rand utilized government healthcare later in her life, so she was a hypocrite in addition to being an idiot.

Fascism is about the absolute sovereignty of the State, so it's quite far removed from Objectivism.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 21st 2019 at 3:48:25 PM

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#288356: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:57:27 PM

@Azure Paladin Ayn Rand herself was staunchly opposed to anarchism, though An Caps have a similar philosophy to her and are often a Misaimed Fandom. Many An Caps criticize Ayn Rand for not going far enough, which says something about how nuts they are. Objectivism preaches, essentially, that the power to take human life is too much for individuals to ever be trusted with, and that therefore a democratic state must be the sole owner of that power.

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#288357: Aug 21st 2019 at 12:59:53 PM

The fact that trump literally wanted to buy Greenland, calls himself the king of Israel and the second coming of god, and keeps children in cages, all while having 35% of Americans worshipping him, is monstrous.

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#288358: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:09:27 PM

Remember when people (re: Republicans) said that Obama was self-centered because he used the word "I" too often?

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#288359: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:12:39 PM

On a more minor note, the idea that Trump thinks that literally calling himself the Messiah will go over well with the Jewish community is laughable. That's like one of the big things separating Christianity and Judaism, is that we don't believe in that shit.

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#288360: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:23:04 PM

It’s less that the situation will go over well and more that Jewish-Americans already dislike Trump so he’s not loosing anyone’s support by claiming it.

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#288361: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:26:09 PM

Which is what you want in a president, right? "You guys suck because you don't vote for me, AMIRITE, BASE?!"

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#288362: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:35:23 PM

Yeah, Objetivsm while not facism it kinda does have the same appeal in a way: the exaltation of the individual over others and how good is to being a prick in general, is just Objetivism does not belive in the state while Facism does, it really does.

And it seen Trump is dying in another hill with the greenland stuff, well good for him.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#288363: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:38:03 PM

Incidentally, actual Objectivists (at the risk of making a No True Scotsman - I don't count Paul Ryan and other theocrats as Objectivists) tend to hate Trump and the Republican Party. For all their faults, Objectivists hate populism, dominionism, anti-intellectualism and government pork.

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#288364: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:45:42 PM

Objectivists, much like Libertarians, tolerate the aspects of the GOP they don't like as long as they get their tax cuts.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#288365: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:58:22 PM

Most Objectivists we see are Ryan-type totemists. The ones we don't see often vote straight Democratic (like Leonard Peikoffnote  did before he crossed the political Despair Event Horizon in 2008).

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#288366: Aug 21st 2019 at 2:07:48 PM

I still hate that Alan Greenspan, an Objectivist, was in charge of our economy for years.

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#288367: Aug 21st 2019 at 2:12:12 PM

I read someone somewhere say "Libertarians are just pot-smoking Republicans".

That about sums it up

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#288368: Aug 21st 2019 at 2:24:10 PM

Libertarians are just Libertarians on Libertarism

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#288369: Aug 21st 2019 at 2:43:14 PM

Given that someone already used North Korea calling itself democratic, let me just reuse that one:

I would point out that if North Korea can claim itself democratic, then Ayn Rand could claim herself an opponent of fascism and we don't have to believe either of them.

Let me just be blunt and unkind: Objectivism and Nazism are basically the same Mad Lib, except where Hitler and co. wrote 'Germans' under 'Master Race', 'Jews, Slavs Gypsies and the infirm' under 'Parasites on society' and 'The State' under 'What will save us?', Ayn Rand wrote 'Self made (here defined as 'rich, even if through inheritance') individuals', 'The poor, collectivists and altruists' and 'Self-interest'.

To the point that it is said note  that if you read Atlas Shrugged by candlelight in a darkened room and you listen carefully, you can faintly hear 'Üntermenschen' echo in the distance every time the word Looters or Parasites is on the page.

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#288370: Aug 21st 2019 at 2:57:41 PM

Trump, in front of the press on the White House Lawn, literally looked up at the sky in the middle of talking about Chinese Tariffs, and said "I am the Chosen One". No joke, no exaggeration, he literally said "I am the chosen one" in front of a bunch of reporters.

I think he's going insane.

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#288371: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:00:44 PM

I wonder if stress from the 2020 election compounded by the high probability of a loss for him will actually get him to snap. It wouldn’t even come close to making up for all the damage he’s done, but at least it’d be a small silver lining.

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#288372: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:04:36 PM

Don't count on it.

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#288373: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:05:11 PM

I’d prefer he didn’t, Trump is dangerous enough as is, if he snaps we might get some of the nightmare scenario stuff like him ordering (via twitter) concentration camps guards to start mass executions.

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#288374: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:08:39 PM

Yeah, if he legit goes insane, he might order a lot of insane stuff before he's taken out for discapicity.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#288375: Aug 21st 2019 at 3:11:54 PM

Yeah, let hope he dosent go all Aerys in your asses.

"you read Atlas Shrugged by candlelight in a darkened room and you listen carefully, you can faintly hear 'Üntermenschen' echo in the distance every time the word Looters or Parasites is on the page."

Oh I know, Objetivism is not facism in deeds even if kinda does in feelling, is like the hippy version of facism "Instead giving power to the state to kill the underservering, let just retire to our socipathic comune and let hope all them die out on their own.

And yes, sociopathic comuunity sound like a good name of a death metal album.

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