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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#288301: Aug 20th 2019 at 10:14:31 PM

At the same time though, he is racist as shit so he doesn't want to add any of the US territories because well...

As I mentioned before, Greenland's population is predominantly Inuit, so if his plan was "get a new state without any non-white people", he clearly didn't do the research on that.

Unless he's planning to emulate his personal hero after buying the island, which I wouldn't put past him.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Aug 20th 2019 at 7:24:03 PM

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#288302: Aug 20th 2019 at 10:22:40 PM

I just think Trump wants to drill Greenland for some of that sweet, sweet Arctic oil. I don't think he cares about the people living there and I doubt he has any intentions of making them a state.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 20th 2019 at 11:23:10 AM

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#288303: Aug 20th 2019 at 10:32:57 PM

[up][up] That implies Trump would know that, and well I am more then willing to belive he didn't do the research, and just assumed it was nordic.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#288304: Aug 20th 2019 at 11:56:56 PM

So we've got another case of ICE being abused to settle labour disputes.

Undocumented Restaurant Worker Is Arrested by ICE During Deposition Against His Employer

"Yup. That tasted purple."
singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#288305: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:45:00 AM

(On Greenland) No, he wasn't serious until it started to play well in the media. Face it, out of all the stories that have come out of the White House lately this is the one with the greatest amount of levity. And boy did we and the media need that.

Naturally though all it does is cause another distraction. I'd even go so far as to suggest that it was deliberately aimed to be the "And Finally" story. News programmes often end with a more light-hearted story so viewers don't go crying into their pillow at night. This is as light-hearted as international politics gets... and that will rebound positively on the President.

Edited by singularityshot on Aug 21st 2019 at 1:45:40 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#288306: Aug 21st 2019 at 1:48:29 AM

[up][up]A Chinese guy, for a change of pace. Apparently this is happening because an immigration judge ruled that he be deported back in 2003, but ICE has only now caught up to him. Sixteen years later.

Also, the title is a bit inaccurate. The suit is against his former employer — he worked at a restaurant between 2008 and 2015. Said restaurant is no longer in business. He's suing his former employer for $200,000 in back wages.

The timing is certainly suspicious, though the former employer's legal team denies reporting him to ICE. They even asked the first jail the guy was sent to if he could continue his deposition while in jail.

Edited by M84 on Aug 21st 2019 at 4:50:33 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#288307: Aug 21st 2019 at 5:41:43 AM

You know, I used to think that the thesis that fascism was a corporatist response to the labor rights movements in the 20's was bunk.

I'm starting to see the argument.

On the Copenhagen thing, thank fuck that he's postponed his visit, though I was hoping he'd cancel it. I mean, I want to see Copenhagen do Copenhagen things and turn out to demonstrate, but I'll take the withered old fucker not getting anywhere near my country. We have enough withered old fuckers to deal with.

Edited by math792d on Aug 21st 2019 at 2:46:40 PM

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#288308: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:16:53 AM

I mean, the Nazis literally used Red Scare tactics to claim authoritarian rule over Germany and cosied up to corporations and dissolved unions... they were more than just a corporatist response to labour right movement of course, but they weren't supported by many corporatists for no reason.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#288309: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:24:14 AM

Heck, there's even a variant of corporatism called fascist corporatism.

Wikipedia's page on corporatism

And of course, who could forget the USA businessmen who thought Hitler was awesome? Looking at you, Henry Ford.

Edited by M84 on Aug 21st 2019 at 9:26:29 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#288310: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:35:41 AM

Next on the list: finally calling objectivism what it always has been... fascist apologia.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#288311: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:56:29 AM

Some people on Twitter seemed to be going for that, though I couldn't separate the trolls from the actual supporters.

As far as Trump is concerned, I honestly wonder if it would be that far-fetched for him to just order an invasion of Greenland. He admires Putin, who got away with seizing Crimea essentially scot-free, and was lauded for it at home. He might well want to emulate that. Let's face it, if the US did decide to just seize Greenland, Danish military resistance would probably be minimal. It'd be a diplomatic disaster of unprecedented proportions, but Trump has clearly demonstrated that he doesn't care about the Trans-Atlantic alliance.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#288312: Aug 21st 2019 at 6:57:31 AM

Nobody at any point in the military chain of command would let anything even resembling hostile action against Denmark happen.

Oh really when?
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#288313: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:02:26 AM

Fascism is a death cult of militarism, cult of personality, and absolute authority by the government. Corporations are generally able to profit greatly by collaboration.

Let's not all become George Lucas and assume corporate control is identical.

That way leads to Prequels.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#288314: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:07:27 AM

One thing to remember, Obama is going to Denmark this week the same week in September Trump's visit was planned. Trump's delay likely has far more to do with that than Greenland.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Aug 21st 2019 at 11:10:34 AM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#288315: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:24:36 AM

Trump admin introduces rule to allow indefinite detention of immigrant families.

The Trump administration on Wednesday said it would unveil a new rule that will allow migrant families to be held indefinitely, ending a procedure known as the "Flores Agreement" that had required children to be held no longer than 20 days.

The decision is a momentous change in detainee policy that the administration has sought to make to provide a disincentive for people crossing the border.

“This rule allows the federal government to enforce immigration laws as passed by Congress,” acting DHS secretary Kevin Mc Aleenan said in a statement.

Under the terms of the 1997 consent decree which eventually led to the 20-day limit in Flores, the regulation must be approved by the judge in the original case, Judge Dolly M. Gee of United States District Court for the Central District of California.

Gee denied the administration’s request last year to extend family detentions after in 2015 ruling that officials could not hold children in unlicensed facilities longer than 20 days.

Trump officials have sought to address Gee’s concerns with indefinite detention by creating a federal government licensing regime which includes public audits of facilities conducted by a third party.

Under the new system, immigrant families could be held for the duration of their court proceedings, which officials claim can be resolved within three months.

The Trump administration has frequently blamed the Flores Agreement for the spike in family border crossings over the last few years, claiming the promise of eventual release creates an incentive to enter the country illegally.

The new rule would establish new standards for conditions in detention centers while simultaneously removing the 20-day maximum detention limit which has existed for decades.

"Large numbers of alien families are entering illegally across the southern border, hoping that they will be released into the interior rather than detained during their removal proceedings," the two agencies that created the rule, the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Health and Human Services, said in a statement.

"Promulgating this rule and seeking termination of the FSA [the Flores Agreement] are important steps towards an immigration system that is humane and operates consistently with the intent of Congress.

The rule will be published in the Federal Register on Friday and will be effective 60 days later — if it is approved by the courts.

Edited by tclittle on Aug 21st 2019 at 9:24:48 AM

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#288316: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:25:55 AM

(On Greenland) No, he wasn't serious until it started to play well in the media. Face it, out of all the stories that have come out of the White House lately this is the one with the greatest amount of levity. And boy did we and the media need that.

Naturally though all it does is cause another distraction. I'd even go so far as to suggest that it was deliberately aimed to be the "And Finally" story. News programmes often end with a more light-hearted story so viewers don't go crying into their pillow at night. This is as light-hearted as international politics gets... and that will rebound positively on the President.

There is literally no reason to believe this.

Trump has idiotic whims all the time, it makes perfect sense that this is authentic. Nor does it make any sense to imagine that this will benefit him, who exactly is supposed to impress? The people who hate him and are hardly going to be impressed by nonsense about buying Greenland that leads to nothing? The people who like him and don't care about Greenland?

As usual the "this is Trump's plan!!!" nonsense is unfounded and only superficially logical (If even that).

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 21st 2019 at 7:26:36 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#288317: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:26:55 AM

[up][up]"Indefinite" is one of the scariest words in the English language.

[up]Yeah, Trump doesn't really have a plan most of the time.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#288318: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:33:04 AM

[up]Also a nausea-inducing word. I'm more than a little queasy.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#288319: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:34:24 AM

And another step taken towards death camps. The other step taken recently being that they’re refusing to give people flu shots.

Fun fact: Anne Frank died of illness during an “indefinite” stay in a camp.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#288320: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:40:33 AM

Trump tweeted the comments of some Conservative Radio Host, comparing him to "The King of Israel" and "The Second Coming of God", before disparaging American Jews. cw: Link to his tweets, anti-Semitism

[up]x5: That's absolutely terrifying. That's no law waiting to be abused, the abuse IS the law.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Aug 21st 2019 at 10:41:14 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#288321: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:41:50 AM

Personality cults are always unnerving.

Disgusted, but not surprised
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#288322: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:50:53 AM

"Promulgating this rule and seeking termination of the FSA [the Flores Agreement] are important steps towards an immigration system that is humane and operates consistently with the intent of Congress.
How is indefinite detention more humane??

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#288323: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:51:48 AM

The Nazis pretended that their war against Poland was self-defense, even fascists like to pretend they're doing the right thing.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#288324: Aug 21st 2019 at 7:52:04 AM

[up][up]It's not. They're lying. And giving their base lies to tell critics of this move.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 21st 2019 at 10:52:15 AM

i'm tired, my friend
TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?

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