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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Regarding the forum's opinion on Biden, I think generally people were positive towards him before Trump was elected. I saw people saying a few times that if Biden had chosen to run (he didn't, understandably, because of the loss of his son from if i recall) he would have probably been able to beat Trump. But then as time went on his various gaffes and questionable history became more widely known and so opinions on him soured.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Aug 20th 2019 at 4:41:32 AM
To their heritage, I suppose. Because Democrats are antisemitic or anti-Israel or whatever. Nevermind that there are plenty of Jews that are of divided opinions on the Israel/Palestine conflict, and that the Republican Party are the party of the actual neo-Nazis. Sure, Jews who vote Democrat are disloyal.
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Not only that but it feels like the Democratic base experienced some ideological movement after the 2016 election because Society Marches On. Had Biden's past gaffes become common knowledge back then, I imagine people would've been more forgiving at the time.
Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:53:28 AM
Now I'm wondering, there any Biden supporter here? Like, someone who see him as their first choice?
If I could vote he would be mine, due to the fact that due to a multitude of reasons I see him as having the best chance of winning against Trump, he consistantly polls the highest in the general and well...
Something this thread seems to forget is that the majority of Americans are not leftists.
Garcon is right here, this thread also forgets there is conservative democrats, and that most democrats are more conservative then they are... Hillary was chosen out of the primary for a reason, and even if she really wasn't more conservitive as Bernie, thats how the public saw her, and how they made there choice.
And well, as some one who has to live every day worrying about what part of my rights this administration is going to target next "Remove Trump" is literally the highest priority in a candidate for me.
TBH Policy wise, I like Warren, but well.. the US electoral system doesn't exactly encourage aligning yourself by policy.
Edited by Imca on Aug 20th 2019 at 3:08:26 AM
I'm more optimistic about Warren's chances. Yeah, Clinton's plans got drowned out by the Trump obsessed media, but Warren has something Clinton didn't. A brand around her plans. That she has a plan for everything, and drops one on a regular enough basis to put truth to that, is more important that any of the specifics of any specific plan.
If Warren gets the nomination it won't be like Clinton "the most well known stranger" it will be Warren "The one with the plan to make your life better".
That, and Warren hasn't a long and contentious backstory. Compared to the things that Hillary got accused of, the Native American thing is a nonentity and despite months nobody has been able to dig out anything more substantial.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanPlus Warren is incredibly warm and personable. Her current base is half Sanders and half Hillary supporters from 2016, which is very promising. She’s been building a strong campaign apparatus and consistently improving in the polls, and as a former republican herself, and a native of Oklahoma, she’s got some appeal to rural and moderate folks.
The thing with Hillary is, essentially, that she was a bit too predictable a choice for the Democrats. The Republicans predicted they would run her in 2016 and spent a ton of resources doing anything they could think of to undermine her.
This is part of why I'd actually not recommend Biden. He's too well known, too associated with the establishment.
Though, to be fair, while Biden is the most obvious choice for the DNC, it isn't like the GOP has spent as much time undermining him as they did Hillary. Also, in the current political climate, billing yourself as a return to normalcy isn't necessarily a bad idea. The train's clearly de-railed.
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@Opt out voting: That would just plain not work in California. Our system is set up that the candidates who end up on the ballot could and have been from the same party.