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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#288251: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:16:35 PM

@Opt out voting: That would just plain not work in California. Our system is set up that the candidates who end up on the ballot could and have been from the same party.

bitemytail Since: Dec, 2011
#288252: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:16:42 PM

Biden's my first choice among the dems running, but I'm a moderate registered independent. I don't know of any of my democrat friends that have Biden as their top pick.

They largely like Warren or Sanders.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#288253: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:28:24 PM

Wow re: Trump's latest comments on Jewish voters. This is truly disturbing.

Edited by speedyboris on Aug 20th 2019 at 1:29:24 AM

ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#288254: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:30:38 PM

[up]Would it be in my personal best interest to not seek out those comments?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#288255: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:31:20 PM

What did he say?

Context is key here

"President Trump on Tuesday suggested Jewish Americans who vote for Democrats either lack the requisite knowledge or show “great disloyalty" from the first result in Google

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#288256: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:32:52 PM

[up]Ah, so no more than the usual Trump bile.

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#288258: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:40:19 PM

Funny, that's exactly what I say about Trump's voters.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#288259: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:41:17 PM

Regarding the forum's opinion on Biden, I think generally people were positive towards him before Trump was elected. I saw people saying a few times that if Biden had chosen to run (he didn't, understandably, because of the loss of his son from if i recall) he would have probably been able to beat Trump. But then as time went on his various gaffes and questionable history became more widely known and so opinions on him soured.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Aug 20th 2019 at 4:41:32 AM

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#288261: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:43:04 PM

Their country he means

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#288262: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:43:21 PM

To their heritage, I suppose. Because Democrats are antisemitic or anti-Israel or whatever. Nevermind that there are plenty of Jews that are of divided opinions on the Israel/Palestine conflict, and that the Republican Party are the party of the actual neo-Nazis. Sure, Jews who vote Democrat are disloyal.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#288263: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:49:44 PM

Isn't accusing Jewish people of double loyalty like that a big anti-semitic trope though?

Or is it somehow different because it's Trump doing it?

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#288264: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:53:43 PM

It's Trump. Hypocrisy and projection come as easily to him as breathing. Possibly easier.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#288265: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:05:00 PM

[up][up]

In this context, I've got a feeling he means they're being disloyal to Israel, since the Democrats tend to be more confrontational about Israel's abuses than the GOP does.

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#288266: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:10:44 PM

And that's what the other half of the "dual loyalties" shtick refers to.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#288267: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:14:14 PM

Isn't accusing Jewish people of double loyalty like that a big anti-semitic trope though?

Donald is no stranger to antisemitism. "The only people I let count my money have yamukels on."

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#288268: Aug 20th 2019 at 2:53:14 PM

@Draghinazzo

Not only that but it feels like the Democratic base experienced some ideological movement after the 2016 election because Society Marches On. Had Biden's past gaffes become common knowledge back then, I imagine people would've been more forgiving at the time.

Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:53:28 AM

Imca (Veteran)
#288269: Aug 20th 2019 at 3:06:58 PM

Now I'm wondering, there any Biden supporter here? Like, someone who see him as their first choice?

I don't think there are any Biden supporters here, I've never seen one.

If I could vote he would be mine, due to the fact that due to a multitude of reasons I see him as having the best chance of winning against Trump, he consistantly polls the highest in the general and well...

Moderates do exist and bluntly they make up a pretty huge portion of the electorate.

Something this thread seems to forget is that the majority of Americans are not leftists.

Garcon is right here, this thread also forgets there is conservative democrats, and that most democrats are more conservative then they are... Hillary was chosen out of the primary for a reason, and even if she really wasn't more conservitive as Bernie, thats how the public saw her, and how they made there choice.

And well, as some one who has to live every day worrying about what part of my rights this administration is going to target next "Remove Trump" is literally the highest priority in a candidate for me.

TBH Policy wise, I like Warren, but well.. the US electoral system doesn't exactly encourage aligning yourself by policy.

Edited by Imca on Aug 20th 2019 at 3:08:26 AM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#288270: Aug 20th 2019 at 3:29:08 PM

I'm more optimistic about Warren's chances. Yeah, Clinton's plans got drowned out by the Trump obsessed media, but Warren has something Clinton didn't. A brand around her plans. That she has a plan for everything, and drops one on a regular enough basis to put truth to that, is more important that any of the specifics of any specific plan.

If Warren gets the nomination it won't be like Clinton "the most well known stranger" it will be Warren "The one with the plan to make your life better".

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#288271: Aug 20th 2019 at 3:32:09 PM

That, and Warren hasn't a long and contentious backstory. Compared to the things that Hillary got accused of, the Native American thing is a nonentity and despite months nobody has been able to dig out anything more substantial.

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#288272: Aug 20th 2019 at 3:36:23 PM

Plus Warren is incredibly warm and personable. Her current base is half Sanders and half Hillary supporters from 2016, which is very promising. She’s been building a strong campaign apparatus and consistently improving in the polls, and as a former republican herself, and a native of Oklahoma, she’s got some appeal to rural and moderate folks.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#288273: Aug 20th 2019 at 3:37:14 PM

My gut tells me Biden will probably win but it wouldn't be that much of a surprise if Warren managed to eke it out somehow. To be honest I think her chances are just fine if she ends up being the nominee, most polls I have seen have her beating Trump well over the margin of error.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#288274: Aug 20th 2019 at 3:48:43 PM

The thing with Hillary is, essentially, that she was a bit too predictable a choice for the Democrats. The Republicans predicted they would run her in 2016 and spent a ton of resources doing anything they could think of to undermine her.

This is part of why I'd actually not recommend Biden. He's too well known, too associated with the establishment.

Though, to be fair, while Biden is the most obvious choice for the DNC, it isn't like the GOP has spent as much time undermining him as they did Hillary. Also, in the current political climate, billing yourself as a return to normalcy isn't necessarily a bad idea. The train's clearly de-railed.

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#288275: Aug 20th 2019 at 3:57:26 PM

Biden will probably end up with Warren or Sanders as his Vice President if he wins the nomination,all all likelihood its going to be Sanders

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