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#288226: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:00:28 PM

At the very least, Biden will be the Disc-One Final Dungeon boss for Warren.

Sanders will be the mini boss.

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#288227: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:03:05 PM

Re: Warren, my takeaway from 2016 is that scandal trumps substance, using the word "trump" in a very intentional way. Everything is going to be sensationalized and there will probably be no substantive front-page debates over policy at all. This will make it very hard for someone like Elizabeth Warren to get their message across.

Hillary Clinton ran into the identical problem. I kept hearing people ask why she didn't say anything about policy issues during the election, only she did. Over and over again, with lengthy speeches, town hall talks, white papers and detailed proposals for days all over her website. Everybody ignored them.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 20th 2019 at 3:05:27 PM

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#288228: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:03:29 PM

Now I'm wondering, there any Biden supporter here? Like, someone who see him as their first choice?

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#288229: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:04:02 PM

[up][up]Dear God, I hope so

Edited by MrHellboy on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:04:21 PM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#288230: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:04:45 PM

A good chunk of people just aren't ideological at all. For some it could come down to "Biden is good, Obama said so." or "Warren reminds me of my feisty grandma."

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#288231: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:05:44 PM

As if old Uncle Joe is free from scandal. He's hardly the 'safe' candidate

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#288232: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:06:56 PM

[up][up] In the case of many, "Just get rid of Trump ASAP please, then use your time as president to have Dems ensuring that it can't come back"

Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:07:24 PM

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#288233: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:07:03 PM

As if old Uncle Joe is free from scandal. He's hardly the 'safe' candidate

And how this infuriates me. Biden has more scandals in his long career than all the other Democratic candidates combined and doubled. If it becomes personality against personality, scandal against scandal, he's got serious problems.

Fortunately, I think this election is most likely to come down to the state of the economy and how bad Trump has been for it. If we can keep that at the forefront of the conversation, we've got it easy.

[down] The last thing I want is another "Teflon" candidate who'll normalize the idea of a President who can get away with whatever he does (or has done).

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 20th 2019 at 3:08:29 PM

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#288234: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:07:29 PM

[up][up]He’s “safe” in the sense that, due to various reasons, the general public ignores his issues more than they would for any other candidate.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Aug 20th 2019 at 3:08:26 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#288235: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:07:37 PM

I don't think there are any Biden supporters here, I've never seen one.

Most are Pro-Warren. Some very few are Pro-Bernie (like me), and I think I've even seen the occasional Pro-Kamala people.

Other than that, I got nothing.

Oh yes, and pretty much everyone hates Williamson and Tulsi.

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 20th 2019 at 9:07:59 PM

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#288236: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:11:18 PM

Warren is my first choice, followed by Sanders. Harris is only a teeny bit better than Biden, but not by much

Still, I am firmly #Anyone But Trump

People who say they are going to refuse to vote because "it shouldn't have to come down to the lesser of two evils" make me want to swallow a bee

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#288237: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:14:53 PM

People who say that are just making excuses to not go out and vote.

Which is why Election Day needs to be a federal holiday.

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#288238: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:16:58 PM

Yeah, making Election Day a federal holiday must be a priority, that it isn't is just weird.

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#288239: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:18:25 PM

No, that'll reduce voter turnout actually.

More poor people will stay working to get desperately needed holiday pay.

Oh really when?
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#288240: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:20:41 PM

Make sure employers give paid time off for voting? I know many businesses already do this, but I have no idea if it's mandatory or not.

That and make mail-in voting more of a thing.

Edited by danime91 on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:23:51 PM

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#288241: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:22:03 PM

Clearly the solution is to bring the ballot box to them so save them the journey.

I've heard it often said they should make voting day a public holiday,it would give people a reason to vote,that it means poor people would choose to work for much needed pay is something I had not considered

Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 20th 2019 at 7:24:10 PM

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#288242: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:23:20 PM

[up] That's such a strange idea that I'm legit tempted to try that.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:23:31 PM

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singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#288243: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:47:00 PM

Weird idea that sort of only applies to the US - How about "opt-out" voting? In other words, if you are a registered member of a party and you do not deliberately vote, you are assumed to have voted straight ticket for your party.

From a European perspective it's odd that you can "register" as a Democrat or Republican - to have the two political parties so baked in to the fabric of everyday life in that way.

Obviously there are a tonne of practical problems with this idea - mostly do to with voter suppression and voter purges but those are problems that you have to deal with anyway. You wouldn't even have to match individual voters to check - just check how many people registered to a party physically voted and subtract that from the total number of registered voters belonging to that party.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#288244: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:50:55 PM

As is the whole Two-Party thing, honestly. In Europe, there are a ton of parties.

It's really sad that the Green Party has pretty much no chance to ever win any seats in the US.

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 20th 2019 at 9:51:47 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#288245: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:51:42 PM

I've stated that I'm pro-Warren then pro-Sanders.

However, I believe Biden is going to win the nomination and it's not even going to be a contest. That may qualify as "support" as I'm of the mind he'll also clobber Trump in a pretty much humongous victory. All the while being a more or less empty suit.

I'm also willing to bet Beto O'Roarke will be his running mate for maximum white privilege.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:53:52 PM

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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#288246: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:51:56 PM

What is this fascination with having only one day for voting. Just have the polls be open from the weekend before the voting Tuesday. With a 4 day window, pretty much anyone who wants to vote should be able to get to vote.

That's how it works up in Canada. Even though votes are counted on Monday, you can vote the whole weekend before.

Edited by nightwyrm_zero on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:52:26 PM

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#288247: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:53:36 PM

> - How about "opt-out" voting? In other words, if you are a registered member of a party and you do not deliberately vote, you are assumed to have voted straight ticket for your party.

my immediate thought was to tell you that's undemocratic,voting means making a choice,an assumption of who you voted for is not honest,someone has fill out the form for it to be counted and that's about it

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#288248: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:53:47 PM

[up]The problem is the GOP actively engages in cheating. The Bush/Gore election in particular was a massive case of fraud.

Ditto the recent Georgia one.

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#288249: Aug 20th 2019 at 12:54:02 PM

[up][up][up]The rules of the system were configured by parties acting in bad faith. Saying any more on that matter would be redundant.

Though there are various opportunities for early voting throughout America, but various institutions work to make sure people don’t know about them.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Aug 20th 2019 at 3:57:22 PM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#288250: Aug 20th 2019 at 1:12:59 PM

I wouldn't call Biden inevitable (and this is coming from a relative moderate, as far as this forum goes). The man has a long history of flaming out in the latter stages of primary campaigns.

Now, he might have an advantage here to due a combination of factors (Obama nostalgia, perceived electablity, brand and name recognition), but he is far from unstoppable. Especially if major players start to drop out, we could see a shift in the balance of power.

And as for US third parties, in addition to the structural issues they face, they also tend to be outright garbage. The Greens for instance, are loaded with pro-Russia, anti-science quacks.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Aug 20th 2019 at 5:14:52 AM

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