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#288151: Aug 19th 2019 at 12:52:32 PM

I'm well beyond caring about anyone who's still going to vote Trump 2020. The people who's opinions need to be reached are those who aren't going to vote for Trump, but haven't been convinced to vote Democrat either.

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#288152: Aug 19th 2019 at 12:53:04 PM

The average Trump voter is more likely to have a Costco or Sam's Club membership than be a regular patron at Wal-Mart.

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#288153: Aug 19th 2019 at 12:58:48 PM

I wouldn't assume anyone's shopping habits based off who they vote for personally,it normally makes no difference and comes across as snobby

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#288154: Aug 19th 2019 at 1:01:15 PM

It's insidious branding that Trump represents the working class and laborers of America, which is something he desperately works to portray himself as. It distracts from the fact he is a white supremacist (a little) and the servant of rich special interests in America that severely hurt the poor. It's a sleight of hand designed to make people vote for him against their own interests.

Like the articles that said Trump was a traitor to his own class.

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#288155: Aug 19th 2019 at 1:11:03 PM

I would argue Trump is definitely trying to reach the lowest common denominator. That's kind of the definition of populism if I understand it.

Your stereotypical Wal-Mart shopper is also...well, what most people think when they hear "lowest common denominator". Mind you, I don't think the stereotypes are especially true. I'd argue it's a case of "Vocal Minority" or rather, "Visible Minority". The person wandering around in their pajamas will stick out in your mind.

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#288156: Aug 19th 2019 at 1:14:04 PM

Also considering recent revelations about people being paid to attend Trump rallies (I think it was Shell workers who wouldn’t get their normal overtime unless they attended) it’s far from clear that rally turnout has anything to do with appeal.

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#288157: Aug 19th 2019 at 1:15:31 PM

Out-of-nowhere question ahead.

When do you think, to the year and presidency, did the Democrat and Republican parties do that "Freaky Friday" Flip? The moment when Republican donors took the party by storm and forsake the minority populations it was initially founded to protect, when the Democrat party decided to abandon the southern white rage-a-holics and find new support in the minority population's untapped potential?

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#288158: Aug 19th 2019 at 1:22:26 PM

My understanding is that they didn’t flip the same year, I’d say that the Civil Rights Act was the year Democrat’s switch while Nixon’s Southern Strategy was when Republicans switched.

But a lot of it was gradual, Northern democrats had been making gains within the Democratic Party for years before they were able to push the Civil Rights Act and the northern business groups of the republicans party have been slowly fleeing the Republican Party for decades now and continue to do so.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#288159: Aug 19th 2019 at 1:34:58 PM

Yeah, it was really quite surprising when watching LBJ how one of the biggest roadblocks to the Civil Rights Act was Richard Russell, a Democrat.

Edited by speedyboris on Aug 19th 2019 at 1:37:37 AM

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#288160: Aug 19th 2019 at 1:46:53 PM

My reason for asking was about those portraits of the Democrat and Republican presidents having dinner. My line of thinking would be to put the likes of Andrew Jackson with George Bush and Ronald Reagan, and Abraham Lincoln with Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#288161: Aug 19th 2019 at 2:13:48 PM

Republicans flipped when Taft became president, Democrats flipped with LBJ and Reagan. It's over half a century apart, with the Democrats having spent a good amount of time as the populist party of both white supremacists and programs for the poor.

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#288162: Aug 19th 2019 at 2:36:18 PM

Republicans were also, at least for a time, not all shitbags. Eisenhower was miles better than any of the Republicans we got in the 70s and after.

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#288163: Aug 19th 2019 at 2:38:25 PM

And assholes like Dinesh D'Souza just LOVE to play the Never Live It Down game, acting as if the Democrats are still the real racist party.

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#288164: Aug 19th 2019 at 2:42:18 PM

I'm not a Trumpophobe, I just disagree with their lifestyles. Some Trumps, I assume, are good people, but when Trumps are sent into the public eye, they're not always sending their best.

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#288165: Aug 19th 2019 at 2:51:25 PM

[up]Ha, indeed [lol]

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#288166: Aug 19th 2019 at 3:08:33 PM

And assholes like Dinesh D'Souza just LOVE to play the Never Live It Down game, acting as if the Democrats are still the real racist party.

One thing to keep in mind is that the shift of the Southern Strategy happened within the lifetimes of some of the oldest sitting Democratic Congressmen and Senators...

So the Democrats aren't not a racist party. But they are certainly the less racist party (and moving towards 'not racist' at a steady pace).

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#288167: Aug 19th 2019 at 3:09:36 PM

[up]There is no definition of "racist party" that is both useful and covers the Democrats.

And a handful of super old Reps or Senators in no way represents the totality of the party.

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#288168: Aug 19th 2019 at 3:14:38 PM

[up] Not the totality, but certainly part of it. Whence less.

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#288169: Aug 19th 2019 at 3:17:50 PM

Weird how both parties have flipped one way or the other,makes you wonder if one day they'll flip the same as either progressives or the opposite,it's like rolling a new character,only you can only pick one class

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#288170: Aug 19th 2019 at 3:18:13 PM

I'd argue that the Democratic Party's Heel–Face Turn started as early as the turn of the last century, because that's when you start getting a distinct brand of Northern Democrat — socially liberal, pro-worker, and rooted in immigrant communities, and a distinct brand of Northern Republican — progressive in a paternalistic, public interest way, meritocratic, and pro-regulation that informed American liberalism. We give the Southern Strategy too much credit for liberalizing the Democrats — they had been heading in that direction since Williams Jennings Bryan.

Conversely, the Republicans stopped being distinctly liberal the moment Reconstruction was destroyed, and if you want a moment where the conservative faction rose to power, it was when Taft took up control of the GOP from Theodore Roosevelt.

[up][up][up][up]That's irrelevant. The oldest sitting Democrats are people like Patrick Leahy who represent stridently progressive states. You might have very old voters who, by way of laziness or inertia never switched parties, but these people all vote Republican now. A Democrat who acts like a Dixiecrat today would never make it through the primaries.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Aug 19th 2019 at 6:22:33 AM

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#288171: Aug 19th 2019 at 3:45:44 PM

[up] It's not irrelevant. They may not be Dixiecrats themselves, but they shared a party with them for thirty-something years. That kind of tacit support of intolerance doesn't just simply go away just because there's fewer openly intolerant people around.

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#288172: Aug 19th 2019 at 4:18:44 PM

If the Republican party really does crash and burn come the next Democratic presidency, do you think the Whigs will come back?

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#288173: Aug 19th 2019 at 4:30:11 PM

[up][up]Honestly, does it matter at this point? A dwindling handful of people who used to be the peers of some racists is not that high on the priority list.

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#288174: Aug 19th 2019 at 4:33:23 PM

[up][up]I see that you're joking, but in all seriousness, unless the election system is overhauled (and possibly even then), the Libertarian party is likely to be the one to fill the power vacancy.

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#288175: Aug 19th 2019 at 4:39:17 PM

@Robrecht: Doesn't mean they campaigned with them or even tolerated them, they were just in the same party, something not in those congressmen's control. It seems like you're just trying to find reasons to validate your view of the Democratic Party as racist.

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