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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#288076: Aug 17th 2019 at 9:29:34 PM

It seems like what’s going on here is more a question of how exactly you define a state. You can create a working definition of a state that excludes the US, but there’s no precise definition of a state.
That seems to be the whole point of the video, especially since...

For example, the most common definitions of a state usually describe it as a permanent population in a defined territory with a centralized government that holds legitimate authority and has the capacity to enter relations with other states. That definition neatly includes the US.
... what you just said here is almost word for word what is said by the videos' sister video, done by Wendover Productions and revolving around the same question but concerning the EU instead of the US (though it does mention the US as an example of a "sovereign state"). Said sister video also concludes with what may come as a surprising point to many: What truly decides what whether or not a political entity is a sovereign state (or a "country") is recognition by other sovereign states, not arbitrary criteria set by arbitrary groups of individuals. This is why the EU, which the Wendover video demonstrates to have practical all qualifications for statehood according to the Declaratory Theory of Statehood, is not considered a sovereign state: It's not recognized as such by any sovereign states, and furthemore it (currently) was neither intended nor has the desire to be so.

Edited by MarqFJA on Aug 17th 2019 at 7:34:40 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#288077: Aug 17th 2019 at 9:34:54 PM

The thing is that federal authority overrides state law in any and all cases and any situation otherwise is a deliberate concession made on behalf of the federal government that can be revoked at any time.

The EU has no such authority over it's members

Oh really when?
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#288078: Aug 17th 2019 at 9:40:47 PM

Going back to Trump and him dropping out of the race, slim-to-none chance of him doing so.

Even if he gets primaried (which is highly unlikely), he will likely threaten to go third party for the general if the RNC doesn't announce him as their candidate, despite the primary votes, and will go third party if the RNC doesn't.

EDIT: Senator Steve King held a town hall at Grundy Center, Iowa. Only two people showed.

Edited by tclittle on Aug 17th 2019 at 11:47:59 AM

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#288079: Aug 17th 2019 at 10:06:39 PM

Three if you count the photographer.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#288080: Aug 17th 2019 at 10:14:05 PM

Another thing to keep in mind is that you can't leave the US, but you can theoretically leave the EU.

Leviticus 19:34
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#288081: Aug 18th 2019 at 12:08:36 AM

20 Texas state departments were hit with a ransomware attack.

Edited by tclittle on Aug 18th 2019 at 2:08:59 PM

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#288082: Aug 18th 2019 at 12:31:58 AM

Is there a chance that Steve King will finally lose his senate seat next year?

Do not obey in advance.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#288083: Aug 18th 2019 at 12:47:54 AM

Steve King is a representative, not a senator.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#288084: Aug 18th 2019 at 12:50:28 AM

Oh. Then is there any chance that his reelection campaign will bomb next year?

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FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#288085: Aug 18th 2019 at 2:33:47 AM

Not sure if this goes here, but Art Spiegelman, best known for "Maus", which is his father's memoirs about living in the Nazi Germany, Animal Farm-style, has pulled his Marvel Folio Society intro after Disney demanded that he does not criticize Trump.

Marvel is a division of Disney, and its chairman, Isaac 'Ike' Perlmutter, is a longtime personal friend of Donald Trump, donated to Trump's campaign, and serves Trump as an "unofficial and influential advisor." Spiegelman's intro made reference to this fact, and tied the origin of Marvel with its thin-veiled allegories about fighting fascism, to the contemporary moment, comparing Trump to the golden age Marvel villain "Red Skull" and dubbing him "Orange Skull."

In response, Disney/Marvel demanded that Spiegelman redact his essay, removing references to Trump. The corporation said that it was trying to be "apolitical...and is not allowing its publications to take a political stance."

Spiegelman refused to make the change and instead severed ties with the project.

The unedited essay is to show up in The Guardian's latest issue.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#288086: Aug 18th 2019 at 2:56:27 AM

arbitrary criteria set by arbitrary groups of individuals

This seems like an odd way to bash political scientists.

This is why the EU, which the Wendover video demonstrates to have practical all qualifications for statehood according to the Declaratory Theory of Statehood

The EU doesn’t qualify as a state under the declaratory theory of statehood either. It doesn’t have sole authority over its territory. States that are part of it remain sovereign states on their own, unlike the US.

The constitutive theory isn’t really that useful as a meaningful description of what is and isn’t a state, because states can recognize (or not recognize) anything as a state. It ceased being useful as a practical definition by itself a long time ago.

Edited by archonspeaks on Aug 18th 2019 at 3:24:18 AM

They should have sent a poet.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#288087: Aug 18th 2019 at 2:58:05 AM

Fuck Perlmutter. I love Maus and I did a report on it for a college English class, Art Spiegelman is great and should be allowed to say whatever he wants about the Orange Skull.

Read Maus, it's fantastic.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#288088: Aug 18th 2019 at 3:31:56 AM

Given that he's the reason it took so long for Black Panther and Captain Marvel to happen in the MCU, I can't say I'm surprised.

You know, two of the biggest grossing films in the franchise.

Edited by Deadbeatloser22 on Aug 18th 2019 at 11:32:14 AM

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Imca (Veteran)
#288089: Aug 18th 2019 at 3:42:28 AM

Remember that time that Captain America was a fascist?

Yea....

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#288090: Aug 18th 2019 at 3:56:29 AM

[up]That was when he was Brainwashed and Crazy by the Red Skull and it was a Take That! at Trump's supporters electing a fascist.

It's just that no one wanted it.

Spencer's Captain America: Sam Wilson was awesome.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#288091: Aug 18th 2019 at 4:57:20 AM

I forget, was that the one where Sam Wilson fought a group of strawman college students with progressive ideas that presumably happened after the author read The Coddling of the American Mind and took it for serious scholarship?

Edited by math792d on Aug 18th 2019 at 2:00:07 PM

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#288092: Aug 18th 2019 at 5:08:07 AM

I think that was a failed attempt at balance, even then I think that story actually did well as Sam Wilson saves Kelly Conway's Expy from being murdered for all of her hatespeech....only to have her proceed to continue to tear into him as a terrible Captain America and carry on her vile speech.

Reality Ensues and all that.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#288093: Aug 18th 2019 at 5:09:42 AM

Given Spencer's political leanings I've got my doubts about how much of a jab at right wing politics it's supposed to be.

Oh really when?
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#288094: Aug 18th 2019 at 5:13:41 AM

Honestly I never got the fuss over Hydra Cap. It was a simple arc. Dozens of superheroes have been turned evil.

He was always the antagonist, never portrayed as positive. And in Secret Empire he got a well-deserved beatdown.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#288095: Aug 18th 2019 at 6:43:43 AM

My understanding is that the writers were insisting they wanted it to stick. Everyone else either didn't believe them or thought they were crazy.

Leviticus 19:34
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#288096: Aug 18th 2019 at 7:18:48 AM

There were definitely a lot of idiots who thought it would be permanent and took credit for their protests making it unstick, because they don't know even the most basic thing about long-running Western superhero comics and how nothing ever sticks.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#288097: Aug 18th 2019 at 7:39:32 AM

I think there were valid complaints to be made about that story. From an entire city being destroyed by fascists, to Marvel claiming Hydra weren’t nazis, to the climax involving all minorities being erased from existence (they come back but still), to Marvel trying to convince comic shop owners to dress up as Hydra members (who are totally not nazis, we promise) for viral marketing.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#288098: Aug 18th 2019 at 8:21:39 AM

Getting back on-topic, I have this to ask: should Trump, if he makes far in 2020 but loses, how long can it take for the winner to reverse what was done? I mean, how fast can the Endangered Species Act be re-implemented as an example?

Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#288099: Aug 18th 2019 at 8:22:33 AM

Enough about comics. I'm sure there are plenty of relevant things to discuss today, like the President saying Antifa should be classified a terror group while remaining strangely silent on all the right leaning extremists.

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Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#288100: Aug 18th 2019 at 8:45:59 AM

That's hardly new news, though.


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