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#287676: Aug 15th 2019 at 8:33:26 AM

That’s not really the same thing as qualified immunity, though. Theoretically, at least, qualified immunity prevents government employees from being sued for acts conducted in a legitimate legal capacity. So, to use that example, a suit over racial bias in restaurant inspection would be one thing, suing the inspector just because you didn’t like what happened would be another.

The reason it’s usually most relevant for police is that a police officer may have to hurt someone in the normal course of their duties.

Who decides if the act conducted was in a legitimate legal capacity, if not the United States Court system?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 15th 2019 at 9:34:36 AM

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#287677: Aug 15th 2019 at 8:35:24 AM

If you read the big block quote I posted earlier... Courts have found that cops needlessly tasering a pregnant woman for fun during a traffic stop counted as being in their legitimate legal capacity. And that’s not an outlier.

Edited by wisewillow on Aug 15th 2019 at 8:36:24 AM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#287678: Aug 15th 2019 at 8:35:41 AM

[up][up] Cases where qualified immunity is invoked still go to court.

And I think it’s fairly obvious what’s done in an official capacity and what’s not.

[up] As I said earlier, I think that was a bad ruling. Even using the current lax “reasonable knowledge” standard, that shouldn’t have held up.

Edited by archonspeaks on Aug 15th 2019 at 8:37:40 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#287679: Aug 15th 2019 at 8:39:07 AM

[up]No. Once they find qualified immunity, the case is dead. I literally spent several weeks of law school specifically focusing on qualified immunity. And capacity is applied really broadly.

Here’s the thing- bad rulings like that are the norm.

Edited by wisewillow on Aug 15th 2019 at 8:40:27 AM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#287680: Aug 15th 2019 at 8:41:19 AM

[up] Yes, qualified immunity is a legal defense. It has to be identified first.

Fundamentally we’re in agreement here, we’re both saying there’s a reason for qualified immunity to exist but it needs to be curtailed to prevent abuses.

Edited by archonspeaks on Aug 15th 2019 at 8:45:54 AM

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#287681: Aug 15th 2019 at 8:49:23 AM

[up]No, I think wisewillow thinks it should be scrapped. At least, that's what the article that was linked seems to be saying.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#287682: Aug 15th 2019 at 8:54:31 AM

[up] On the previous page they said the concept made sense in theory, but the problem was its application in practice. That would seem to suggest the solution would be to fix it, not scrap it entirely.

They should have sent a poet.
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#287683: Aug 15th 2019 at 8:57:32 AM

[up]Except the article that was linked isn't arguing for modifying qualified immunity. It is arguing for getting rid of it entirely.

It even has a list of reasons for why qualified immunity isn't actually needed.

Edited by M84 on Aug 16th 2019 at 12:02:14 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#287684: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:07:19 AM

Ex-GOP rep calls Trump an 'unfit con man,' says he's sorry for helping elect him – Former Republican Rep. Joe Walsh is calling for a primary challenger to take on President Donald Trump in 2020, as he is reckoning with his past controversial comments and apologizing for his role in helping elect an "unfit con man" to the presidency.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/15/politics/joe-walsh-primary-challenge-trump-2020-cnntv/index.html

"If Republicans don't stand up right now and challenge this guy right now, he's bad for the party. He's bad for the country. We're going to get wiped out in 2020," Walsh said Thursday in an interview on CNN's "New Day," echoing his recent op-ed in the New York Times.

Walsh, now a conservative radio host, said he voted for Trump in 2016, but only because he wasn't Hillary Clinton. Where Trump lost him, Walsh said, was during his press conference with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki last year in which he sided with the Russian strongman over his own intelligence community's assessments of interference in the 2016 election.

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 15th 2019 at 10:09:52 AM

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#287685: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:08:44 AM

So in addition to his recent habit of making rounds on conservative news networks, Bernie Sanders just attacked the Washington Post, Amazon, and Jeff Bezos.

"See, I talk about that all of the time. And then I wonder why The Washington Post — which is owned by Jeff Bezos, who owns Amazon — doesn't write particularly good articles about me. I don't know why. But I guess maybe there's a connection."

Sure is Trump in here all of a sudden.

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#287686: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:08:52 AM

Walsh is a strange one. He is a die hard Tea Party guy, but he loathes Trump.

I think he's delusional about a GOP challenger (let alone one from the right) can put a dent into Trump though.

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#287687: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:09:36 AM

[up][up]Yep, he's going all "FAKE NEWS" now.

[up]He probably thinks Rand Paul would make a good President.

Edited by M84 on Aug 16th 2019 at 12:11:04 AM

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#287688: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:12:14 AM

I'm biased against Sanders. I 100% admit that. I didn't like him back in the 2016 primaries, and I've been very quick to assume the worst ever since we found out that Russia was actually propagandizing for him too, not just Trump. So take my opinion with a grain of salt.

But echoing Trumpist sentiments against popular Trump targets isn't doing anything to ease my paranoia towards the guy who didn't want to sanction Russia for their election meddling.

If I didn't know who said that bit I quoted, I would immediately assume it was another Trump tweet. And that is very concerning to me.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 15th 2019 at 10:14:16 AM

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#287689: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:15:12 AM

Come to think of it, Trump also doesn't like Amazon or Bezos. Albeit for different reasons.

So yeah, that could totally have been a Trump tweet.

The kicker is that Sanders actually knows that what he said was bullshit meant to get cheap laughs from the crowd.

"Do I think Jeff Bezos is on the phone, telling the editor of The Washington Post what to do? Absolutely not. It doesn't work that way," he said. Then he continued his attack: "But what I think is in media, in general, there is a framework, New York Times operates under, The Washington Post operates under, CNN operates under, for example, I've been in politics for a few years. You know what? Not one reporter has ever asked me, 'Bernie? What are you going to do about the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality?' "

And say what you will about mainstream media, encouraging people to distrust media is not good for democracy.

And again: Sanders knows better. (As does Trump, of course.) He said what he said to get a cheap applause line at a town hall packed with supporters. The problem for Sanders, Trump and politics more generally is that many of the people who hear things like this from them don't know better. They actually believe there is some sort of conspiracy between corporate America and the news media. And when politicians — whether they are Sanders, Trump or anyone else in either party — stoke that sentiment, that's dangerous. And bad for democracy. Full stop.

Edited by M84 on Aug 16th 2019 at 12:22:29 AM

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#287690: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:21:08 AM

Ugh, Bernie just lost a lot of points with me. Seriously, what the hell?

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#287691: Aug 15th 2019 at 9:21:56 AM

He's a populist. What did you expect?

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#287692: Aug 15th 2019 at 10:11:13 AM

I can't say for certain if this is intentional on Sanders' part or not, but from where I'm sitting, it certainly looks like he's manipulating his base - and potentially other voters - into disbelieving any negative coverage of him at all.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 15th 2019 at 1:12:07 PM

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#287693: Aug 15th 2019 at 10:13:42 AM

I've been in politics for a few years. You know what? Not one reporter has ever asked me, 'Bernie? What are you going to do about the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality?' "

Oh, I dunno Bernie, could it be because it's the one thing you never shut up about? Nobody's interested in what your stance is on income inequality because everyone already knows what your stance is on income inequality, and you never stop talking about it, repeating the same exact points over and over again ad nauseam.

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#287695: Aug 15th 2019 at 10:47:15 AM

[up] What coincidental timing; Mark Sanford, former South Carolina Governor and Congressman (Republican), travels to Iowa and New Hampshire, and will announce in 30 days if he will challenge Donald Trump for the 2020 Republican Nominee.

Sanford, if he does run, could pose a much more serious threat to Trump then Bill Weld does; Bill Weld is more of the Libertarian Wing of the Republican Party, while Mark Sanford represents the Neo-Con faction, which would have more sway over the Party. If the Economy continues to start heading south, Sanford could do what Pat Buchanan did to Bush Sr; shake up people's confidence in Trump and get them to either stay at home, vote 3rd Party, or vote for the Democratic Candidate (especially if it's Biden).

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#287696: Aug 15th 2019 at 10:50:52 AM

GG, Hickenlooper. You have my wallet at your disposal if you run for senate.

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#287697: Aug 15th 2019 at 10:51:11 AM

Sanders is being an ass.

Is corporate media deeply flawed? Yeah, a lot of it is, due to stuff like Wash Po and NY Times publishing crappy conservative op-eds (climate change isn’t real! Here’s why we need less immigrants except rich Europeans no I'm not racist), focusing on stupid or frivolous stories (but her emails!), etc.

Do plenty of journalists dislike Sanders? Yeah, probably; a lot of the prominent ones are Ivy League rich kids and he’s not as personable as Warren.

Is it acceptable for him to “jokingly” question all Wash Po coverage due to their owner? No.

Edited by wisewillow on Aug 15th 2019 at 11:21:24 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#287698: Aug 15th 2019 at 11:22:34 AM

Kentucky sports radio host plans book-length rebuke of Mitch Mc Connell

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/08/15/kentucky-sports-radio-host-plans-book-length-rebuke-mitch-mcconnell/

Matt Jones, a prominent progressive sports radio host from Kentucky who has flirted with a Senate run, is writing a book about Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mc Connell, he said in an interview this week.

The book, planned as a political rebuke of the second most powerful Republican in the country, will be published by Simon & Schuster and is expected to be released next summer ahead of the 2020 election.

Jones is a Kentucky native and hosts a popular syndicated radio show. He’s also hosted a television talk show that covers sports and politics in the state and been a frequent critic of Mc Connell for years.

The book — with a working title of “Mitch, Please!” — will be part travelogue and part history of the commonwealth. Jones, along with his co-author Chris Tomlin, plans to travel to each of Kentucky’s 120 counties to make his case: Mc Connell has had a negative impact on the state he’s represented for more than three decades.

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#287699: Aug 15th 2019 at 11:25:21 AM

Good. Anything that helps getting rid of that evil creature is a good thing, in my book.

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#287700: Aug 15th 2019 at 11:32:11 AM

Regarding how mistrust of the media can be a bad thing, I have to mention my country that legit believes that Peru is a failed state due to the narratives pushed for populists.

A economist says Peru is a solid economy is interpretated as "LIBTARD JOURNALIST LIE BECAUSE THEY JUST WANT TO KEEP US SUBJUGATED WHILE WE COLLAPSE FOR THE INTEREST OF THE EVIL SUPERPOWERS!!"

Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 15th 2019 at 1:34:05 PM

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