TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

The General US Politics Thread

Go To

Nov 2023 Mod notice:


There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.

If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines before posting here.

Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.

If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules when posting here.


In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287451: Aug 11th 2019 at 5:01:46 PM

The thing is that the reverse would be fine with both sides.

But gun nuts don't like to appear weak and liberals don't like to appear to be murderers.

It's why the Purge has fans even on the other side of its satire.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#287452: Aug 11th 2019 at 5:03:52 PM

I'd say there is a 95% chance of it being as idiotic as it the premise appears at first glance.

I'm sure Vox will cover it if it is.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#287453: Aug 11th 2019 at 5:06:02 PM

While I didn't look at it personally, I saw someone link to a possible script and it seems there was some dialogue which set up the word "redneck" being akin to the n-word. It was kinda like me using it in the last sentence and someone not knowing and asking for clarification forcing me to actually say it.

Mind, it's quite possible the script probably wasn't completely the same.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287454: Aug 11th 2019 at 5:11:02 PM

I'm going to bet you $100 it wasn't cancelled for the shootings but cancelled because Trump tweeted about how much he hated the premise and idea of the movie.

Which, if it was designed for that MAGA money, meant they'd royally fucked up.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#287455: Aug 11th 2019 at 5:17:06 PM

Which remind me, a former FBI agent who worked on terrorism cases says the FBI is reluctant to work against white nationalists because they don't want to bring down Trump's wrath on them for seemingly attacking his base.

"I believe [FBI Director] Christopher A. Wray is an honorable man, but I think in many ways the FBI is hamstrung in trying to investigate the white supremacist movement like the old FBI would," Gomez said. "There’s some reluctance among agents to bring forth an investigation that targets what the president perceives as his base. It’s a no-win situation for the FBI agent or supervisor."

Edited by Parable on Aug 11th 2019 at 5:17:54 AM

Imca (Veteran)
#287456: Aug 11th 2019 at 5:17:37 PM

That's what the trailer implied by using the term "deplorables". The fact they're hunted by a multi-ethnic team including a Latina and a black woman didn't help (and the hunted are all white folk). For what it's worth it's possible this was just a marketing stunt and the film itself didn't reflect it.

One of the "deplorables" is killed by a person yelling "CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL" according to the leaked script.

Its not a marketing stunt

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287457: Aug 11th 2019 at 5:18:59 PM

Mind you, The Purge movies are like the whole Gotham City "No Man's Land" arc. They were released to significant derison and now become more and more, "Yeah, this is just a slight exaggeration of what might happen."

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#287458: Aug 11th 2019 at 5:19:11 PM

[up][up]Holy shit, that's so goddamn stupid.

[up]Eh, just because there are people who are happy to make conditions, where a bunch of poor people die, doesn't mean that The Purge is any less mediocre or stupid. But this is a discussion for the Politics in Fiction thread.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 11th 2019 at 5:21:00 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#287459: Aug 11th 2019 at 5:21:02 PM

[up] Agreed. What was Universal on when they accepted that script? MAGA Kool-Aid?

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Aug 11th 2019 at 5:21:22 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287460: Aug 11th 2019 at 5:29:26 PM

They saw the dollar signs.

I feel bad for Betty Gilpin, though.

At least she still has GLOW.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#287461: Aug 11th 2019 at 5:32:21 PM

They did for attention it would bring naturally,Donald tweeting about it adds extra bonus

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#287462: Aug 11th 2019 at 9:30:43 PM

They saw an untapped market opportunity to make a right-leaning version of The Purge that appeals to white men's victim complex and, in turn, make some cash.

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287463: Aug 11th 2019 at 9:34:05 PM

And Trump trashed it, costing them millions.

So, poetic justice.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#287464: Aug 11th 2019 at 11:42:10 PM

You imply The Purge is not already appealing to the Right Wing as a 'I get to hunt all those people for a night's power fantasy.

"You can reply to this Message!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#287465: Aug 11th 2019 at 11:44:08 PM

If it does, it's a Misaimed Fandom since the sympathetic pov is always the people who are being targeted by the Purge and/or people trying to stop it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#287466: Aug 11th 2019 at 11:46:34 PM

I recall one of the biggest critics of the Purge was how unsubtle it was in its messaging: the first one had a bunch of white, preppy looking men and women hunting a homeless black veteran who they called a parasite (or something equally derogative). It's pretty easy to see what the story was going for.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287467: Aug 11th 2019 at 11:52:34 PM

I recall one of the biggest critics of the Purge was how unsubtle it was in its messaging: the first one had a bunch of white, preppy looking men and women hunting a homeless black veteran who they called a parasite (or something equally derogative). It's pretty easy to see what the story was going for.

Strangely people still didn't get it until they finally cut to scenes in the First Purge where the government explains—in excruciating detail—that the goal of the Purge is to kill minorities and the poor. It also doesn't work because minorities and the poor don't kill each other on their own, so they send in death squads under the guise of Purgers.

The scientist is just SHOCKED that her research would be used to justify such a thing versus random murder to let off steam.

The presence of a Purge producer in this movie turns me off the work a bit.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 11th 2019 at 11:54:40 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#287468: Aug 12th 2019 at 12:45:02 AM

It sounds like The Hunt was actually a right-wing victimhood fantasy about the "elites" hunting "deplorables".

The movie didn't sound like anything original anyway.

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#287469: Aug 12th 2019 at 1:20:55 AM

That's exactly what it was supposed to be. But the asshats from FOX and Trump were too dense to realize it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287470: Aug 12th 2019 at 1:24:58 AM

Liberals with guns scare them.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#287471: Aug 12th 2019 at 1:53:49 AM

Shockingly, not all left-wing people faint at the sight of guns, but it also seems like left-wingers aren't the ones committing gun violence the most.

It's blatant black-and-white thinking to think that all left-wingers hate guns.

Edited by BearyScary on Aug 12th 2019 at 2:35:20 AM

Do not obey in advance.
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#287472: Aug 12th 2019 at 2:38:07 AM

I'd like to see sources for that claim, please.

It's been fun.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#287473: Aug 12th 2019 at 2:46:33 AM

Which claim?

Do not obey in advance.
ITNW1989 a from Big Meat, USA Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
a
#287474: Aug 12th 2019 at 2:53:47 AM

Your "Left-wingers are committing more gun violence" claim. Any reputable source to that?

Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#287475: Aug 12th 2019 at 2:55:11 AM

[up][up]If that was supposed to be a reference to rightwingers' Double Think when it comes to thinking that "libruls" are both terrified of guns and the only ones committing gun violence in the USA, it might be best to explain that without any ambiguity.

Edited by M84 on Aug 12th 2019 at 5:55:24 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

Total posts: 417,856
Top