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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I think that Epstein only killed himself because he knows what prisoners due to guys like him
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t in at least somewhat common for someone planning suicide to be in good spirits?
Oh God! Natural light!The far left thinks Trump silenced him to avoid Epstein revealing some sordid Ivanka Sex Tape, the far right of course trot out their same tired "CLINTON KILL COUNT" nonsense.
Morons have to attribute a massive conspiracy to the fact a guy killed himself because that they see this makes them feel important.
I dunno - the far left don’t really seem like the types to pin their hopes on a scandal like this bringing Trump down? At least in my experience.
Oh God! Natural light!If you want to fling names into the hat, don't forget the House of Saud has a few members implicated. And, they're not alone.
Epstein had a lot of names from a lot of high places. Heck, it would surprise me if there wasn't an uncoordinated, free-for-all, "Fawlty Towers" Plot of a bribery bonanza involving several outside interests going on up and down the chain on the off-chance they'd get him to shut up. One he likely decided to rely on once it dawned on him he was actually screwed.
Having Epstein be a successful suicide is unlikely just to be about American politics.
But, it could help clean your governmental pipes out. Because, really, now... Actually letting it happen?
Edited by Euodiachloris on Aug 11th 2019 at 10:28:18 AM
As a Wa Po reporter pointed out, Epstein also said his last suicide attempt was someone else trying to kill him. I mean, yeah, he might have been lying, but it's something else to take into account - particularly at the MCC, which routinely houses extremely murderable prisoners.
What's precedent ever done for us?Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory blaming the Clintons. For fuck's sake.
Also, relevant Twitter thread
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Obviously Biden misspoke and continues to misspeak, but I think the coverage by conservatives that go and inflate all his blunders is an active attempt to take the heat off of POTUS. Hell, I'm sure we've been desensitized to Trump saying racist shit regularly, but let's not try and equate him and Biden.
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There’s a really interesting point brought up in there.
In a broader sense, I think the conspiratorial mindset ultimately points to the feeling of a lack of control. Conspiracy theories impose order and assign guilt, which is comforting for a lot of people who feel powerless.
They should have sent a poet.That thread also pointed out that Epstein committing suicide may have also been an act of taking control away from other people.
Göring was not even the first of the Nuremberg suicides. 11/30 Suicide in people who have demonstrated a history of antisocial behavior is not always existential despair.
It can also be an expression of control & defiance, a refusal to submit to people they don’t consider their equals, stealing victory & creating a mess & ruin.
12/30 In fact, of the personality disorders, Narcissistic Personality Disorder correlates most strongly with suicide attempts & suicide completion. There’s an urban myth that narcissists don’t commit suicide, and that’s entirely wrong. 13/30
With narcissism, which often has solipsistic elements, the person may believe that the world ends for everyone when they die.
It can be a giant fuck off to everyone.
But also being unable to use their learned tools - manipulation, privilege - is an existential horror. 14/30
He may very well have done this to deny victims closure, ensure nobody could humble him anymore.
But I always take selfish, stupid & lazy over competent conspiracy. (Incompetent conspiracies are another matter.) But I’d call it revenge. A FU to victims, justice system, associates.
Edited by M84 on Aug 11th 2019 at 7:40:46 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThe thread also points out the conspiracy mongering already starting.
It's stuff I'm seeing even here.
Let's at least try to act better than this.
Edited by M84 on Aug 11th 2019 at 7:41:27 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised![]()
We still don’t know what cell he was being held in at the time of his death. Only the very highest-security ones have CCTV. I’ll also point out that between things like guards simply not noticing one screen in a bank of a hundred screens and lights out time at night it’s fairly easy to imagine a suicide could have happened anyways.
And, as that thread pointed out, simple incompetence is much more likely than a massive super-conspiracy that’s capable enough to sneak past NYPD, BOP and FPS, but stupid enough to kill Epstein in a place guaranteed to attract attention from numerous state and federal agencies.
Edited by archonspeaks on Aug 11th 2019 at 4:47:22 AM
They should have sent a poet.Even if he was under constant CCTV surveillance, that still doesn't imply a conspiracy.
Prisoners themselves aren't the only ones with a certain attitude towards known paedophiles.
All it takes is for one guard to interpret the cheerfulness Epstein displayed after deciding he was going to commit suicide as him acting like he was going to get away with it and, boom, suddenly that monitor's not getting watched so good.
Angry gets shit done.Many professionals have already come out and called Epstein's removal from suicide watch dumbfounding and unacceptable, which I agree with. I'm not usually one for conspiracies, but sometimes it's easier to let one do the deed themselves and just wait.
Life is unfair...Epstein likely conned people into thinking he could be taken off of it, the same way he managed to con and manipulate other people throughout his life.
I get the feeling people are latching on to conspiracies and such because they don't want to admit that Epstein found a way to escape justice one last time.
Edited by M84 on Aug 11th 2019 at 9:27:38 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised

Which is in no way what I just said and I'm actually wondering how that's what you took away from my post.
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