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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#287326: Aug 10th 2019 at 12:58:22 PM

Huh - for some reason I was expecting something much more disturbing there. I am guessing that I have become numbed.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#287327: Aug 10th 2019 at 12:59:27 PM

I get what you're saying but he was having a foot massage in the worst place possible, it's not definitely criminal (on its own) but it's definitely yikes worthy.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#287328: Aug 10th 2019 at 1:00:37 PM

dude needs to clean his feet cos Y I K E S

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#287329: Aug 10th 2019 at 1:01:18 PM

I don't think that's anywhere close to the worst part about that scenario tongue

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#287330: Aug 10th 2019 at 1:03:30 PM

Im curious to his response

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#287331: Aug 10th 2019 at 1:06:51 PM

Apparently ICE didn't tell Trump about that mass raid in the South until after it happened because they didn't want him tweeting about it.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#287332: Aug 10th 2019 at 1:30:05 PM

And understandable thing to do, considering that literally that exact thing happened and that totally cut them off at the knees a few weeks back. Not telling Trump when you're doing things seems to be the only sensible thing to do if you actually want to apprehend people.

Although I must admit I don't understand why they'd tell him anyway, that seems to be a bit micromanage-ey? Or is that just a normal thing to do in a normal presidency?

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#287333: Aug 10th 2019 at 1:46:14 PM

NYPD arrested 100 people during an anti-ICE protest in Manhattan today. [1]

I believe that’s one of the largest mass arrests during one of these protests to date.

They should have sent a poet.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#287334: Aug 10th 2019 at 2:00:41 PM

<gets an urge to ring a shaming bell>

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#287336: Aug 10th 2019 at 2:42:46 PM

<Somewhat annoyed that there is no hit for "Connell" on that feed>

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#287337: Aug 10th 2019 at 2:48:09 PM

The general political leaning of Epstein's people seems to be vaguely centrist - even Trump was hobnobbing with the Democrats when they hung out. I'm not saying the establishment far-right don't have terrible skeletons in their closets, but if they have them, they seem to use a different source.

What's precedent ever done for us?
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287338: Aug 10th 2019 at 2:52:35 PM

Trump, I should point, out was a Democrat until asked to run for President by Roger Stone during George W. Bush's election. He was just a corrupt racist asshole Democrat.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 10th 2019 at 2:53:30 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#287339: Aug 10th 2019 at 2:56:02 PM

I don't see how that's relevant.

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Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#287340: Aug 10th 2019 at 2:59:48 PM

Basicaly, if you are trying to calculate the political lean of Epstien's circle, you need to remember Trump's political affiliation is more of convenience then conviction.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#287341: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:00:14 PM

It's to expand on Trump was hobnobbing with the Democrats when they hung out.

Another piece on the Evil Turtle and the reason I was hoping that his name was on that list.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#287342: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:23:37 PM

Based on the running thread, here is a list of people mentioned and my analysis of their political leanings which is happy to change if I get more info.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D)

Sen. George Mitchell (D)

VP. Al Gore (D)

Tipper Gore (D)

Naomi Campbell (U)[Leaning D]

Adam Perry Lang (U)

Tom Pritzker (U) [Likely D]

Eva Dubin(D)

Pres. Bill Clinton (D)

Pres. Donald Trump (R) [Although during the early 2000's he'd technically be a D according to wikipedia. I think he's a U in his heart]

Prince Andrew (U)

Sarah Feguson (U)

Matt Groening (D)

Robert Kennedy Jr. (D)

Ghislaine Maxwell (U)

If we remove Trump from the list for being a slipperly flipflopper, there is no one who is R and a lot of strong Ds. This list of 15 people is a bit over half Democratic (8), under half unknown(6), and one republican(1).

Edited by Soban on Aug 10th 2019 at 6:27:28 AM

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#287343: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:49:51 PM

Also back them being centrist wasnt so bad back them in part because the polarization havent hit so much like is now.

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#287344: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:51:43 PM

Ehud Barak was also (Israeli) Labour, although they're not really very left-wing and he wasn't really very left-wing even by their standards.

What's precedent ever done for us?
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#287345: Aug 10th 2019 at 3:53:04 PM

[up][up][up]Certainly, but one thing to keep in mind is that Trump was in New York. I highly doubt you have many powerful Republicans or other Right-wingers there, ergo it makes perfect sense that his group of plausible perfidious predators would be compromised of Democrats and politically apathetic people.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 10th 2019 at 3:54:08 AM

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singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#287346: Aug 10th 2019 at 4:21:01 PM

[up] I think you mean comprised but compromised is also appropriate here.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#287347: Aug 10th 2019 at 4:31:40 PM

[up]Yup, that's staying in grin

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#287348: Aug 10th 2019 at 4:58:26 PM

[up][up][up]Also regardless how much conspiracy theorists might think all powerful people are in cahoots with each other, having people of opposing political groups in the same sexual predator club is just asking for blackmail and smear campaigns to happen.

So it's not really a big surprise.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Aug 10th 2019 at 1:58:37 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287349: Aug 10th 2019 at 5:01:15 PM

I think that overstates issues. Besides, your personal politics in no way determines whether you're a sexual predator or not.

Sort of an irony there.

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#287350: Aug 10th 2019 at 5:04:44 PM

Just to clarify, were all the people named in the Epstein papers specifically doing business with him to pay for underage sex? I'm a little confused about this whole situation, if I'm honest.

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!

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