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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
There’s the fact that he died while in the custody of an organisation that has a duty of care both to him and of him.
Yes it is entirely possible that the prison he was in simply has a culture of allowing prisoners to kill themselves, a culture that could be due to either malice or incompetence.
I don’t particularly care which it was, in either case that facility failed and caused a huge loss of evidence to prosecutors, the staff at the facility need to be held criminally accountable for the justice they have denied the Americana public, even if they did deny America that justice ‘only’ by being grossly incompetent.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranIt's definitely suspicious, and an autopsy should absolutely be performed and surveillance records reviewed. Yes, it's entirely reasonable that he committed suicide, but that he was able to commit suicide is the remarkable thing here, given the surrounding circumstances.
Edited by ironballs16 on Aug 10th 2019 at 10:23:41 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Yeah, the evidence of foul play is that he was on suicide watch in a extremely secure, heavily surveilled facility. At that point, the base assumption is that you can't commit suicide, especially in the way he did, so it's reasonable to suspect something sinister went down.
Kind of like if a priceless necklace goes missing from inside a bank vault. You're not just going to assume you dropped it down the back of a sofa.
What's precedent ever done for us?> That's not evidence, there would be a dead body even if it was 100% authentic suicide.
Your right,there would still be body if was a regular suicide,however,in this case examining the body would confirm if foul play was involved,unexplained bruises or injuries sustained would confirm he was not alone in his cell
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverAn autopsy isn’t going to reveal anything interesting here. Autopsies give you the cause of death, not the manner of the death.
If he was being held in a low security cell it’s entirely conceivable he could have hung himself, or found some other way to commit suicide. Low security cells don’t have CCTV coverage and prisoners are allowed access to things like blankets which could conceivably be used in a suicide attempt. A murder conspiracy would be a pretty extraordinary event, and as we all know extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
They should have sent a poet.Disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, awaiting sex trafficking charges, dead of apparent suicide
CNN and NBC News reported that Epstein was found in cardiac arrest early Saturday and taken to a hospital where he died.
Officials at the Metropolitan Correctional Center did not immediately respond to inquiries seeking comment on the reported suicide.
The New York Fire Department, without naming the individual, confirmed that it received a call at 6:39 a.m. about a person in cardiac arrest at the Metropolitan Correctional Center. The individual was transported to a New York hospital shortly.
It was not immediately clear how Epstein could have killed himself since he was under suicide watch after being found unconscious three week ago in his cell in Metropolitan Correctional Center.
Edited by Soban on Aug 10th 2019 at 10:31:41 AM
Sort of. Not always.
For example, if the cause is asphyxiation via constriction (what you’d expect from a hanging) there are numerous possible manners of death. The autopsy results have to be combined with evidence from the scene to determine the nature of what happened.
People have a very skewed idea of how things like autopsies work thanks to television and movies.
At this point it’s way too early to start guessing at a conspiracy. The evidence points towards suicide.
Edited by archonspeaks on Aug 10th 2019 at 7:38:17 AM
They should have sent a poet.I wouldn't necessarily assume that there is a political conspiracy here even if there was foul play. Serial child rapists are hateworthy people and get treated accordingly.
I don't know what the criteria for conducting autopsies are in the US but in Switzerland we'd certainly carry out an autopsy (and investigation of the scene), there are enough reasons to:
- Person is a celebrity/wealthy person.
- Death was evidently violent.
- Death happened during police custody.
These are not mutually exclusive, as multiple people - icluding me - pointed out before.
The question is not if Eppstein committed suicide - but if somebody deliberately let him.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Aug 10th 2019 at 4:52:07 PM
We learn from history that we do not learn from historyAnd the White House has a lid on for the rest of the day.
Because that's totally not suspicious or anything.
Honestly, all three were implicated.
You could even blame Kevin Spacey but I think that ship sailed.
Or Katie Couric!
(yes, she was a friend of Epstein's)
Just to clarify, is this post discussing customers of Epstein's? Also, do you mean Bill Clinton or Hillary? I don't want to assume.
Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!Remember that the MCC is not just your average shitty local prison. It's a literal high-tech fortress where they regularly house terrorists and mob bosses.
Hell, they held Bernie Madoff, Frank Gotti, and El Chapo there. Some dumbass security guard forgetting Epstein's belt seems extremely unlikely.
Edited by Iaculus on Aug 10th 2019 at 3:13:58 PM
What's precedent ever done for us?lol, the camera failed in Epstein's cell.
Presumably just before he managed to magic up a noose.

A high profile prisoner who had been previously injured committing suicide is possible yes, but it requires gross (and possibly deliberate) negligence by the people responsible for him.
If he wasn’t on suicide watch then someone chose to not put him on suicide watch and such a desicion is incredibly suspect, if he was on suicide watch then the fact that he managed to commit suicide anyway is incredibly suspect.
I can’t see a reason for Epstein to be allowed access to suicide tools other than because his captors wanted him to commit suicide.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran