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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
>it was helpful because the guy wasn’t a shooter and was just an idiot/asshole.
It would have been helpful if he had been a shooter too. It took about three minutes for police to arrive, going by Dayton numbers, that's about ~45. Assuming that the firefighter decided to intervene, he could do so much more rapidly meaning that there would be fewer deaths.
In the most optimistic situation, the shooter might get a few shots off, but is stopped by the civilian quickly. However, there are also less optimistic possibilities. Things like not even getting a shot off, but getting shot instead. When you decide to intervene in a situation like this, make no bones about it you are volunteering to get shot first. However, even in that case, shots on a volunteer are better then shots on someone who's not. This is true even when the gunman shoots the civilian first because they know that the civilian is carrying. In pretty much every situation though, the civilian intervening leads to equal or fewer casualties even if they themselves get shot by the police when they arrive.
Edited by Soban on Aug 10th 2019 at 8:53:07 AM
Any amount of deaths is unacceptable. Any "solution" to mass shootings that leaves even a single person dead is not as good as a true solution to mass shootings that stops them entirely.
The "solution" of "more guns might reduce the number of casualties" is ethically bankrupt because it is both insufficient in stopping shootings entirely and it directly opposes the only actual solution for stopping mass shootings completely.
Having an untrained civilian with a gun trying to take on an active shooter makes worried that they'd end up increasing the body count by way of accidentally shooting bystanders. And that's assuming there's only one person trying to be a hero—More than that and there's suddenly a lot of confusion about who to target
Christ, this entire paragraph is horrifying in levels I can't even begin to articulate. From the "it's better that a volunteer gets shot than someone who isn't" to the unsubstantiated claim that civilian interference lowers casualties. Got any numbers, any statistics, any proof to that claim? Because otherwise that's just buying wholesale into the "good guy with a gun" myth, even though it's been proven time and again that an armed crowd won't deter a determined shooter.
Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.A suicide that is notably the DAY AFTER he names a bunch of famous rich people by name.
But I suppose he did try before...
Am I weird to be conspiratorial here?
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 10th 2019 at 6:19:14 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in prison, report says
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Aug 10th 2019 at 3:20:45 PM
We learn from history that we do not learn from historyI'm not sad that he's dead, but now we won't get him to rat out all the other scumbags that he was selling girls to for sex. Justice has not been done here.
Edited by Fighteer on Aug 10th 2019 at 9:23:27 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"It’s unclear what the previous incident was, I saw accusations both of an attempted suicide and of him being assaulted by a cell mate.
The BBC are not yet reporting to as a suicide, just that he’s dead.
Even if it was a suicide someone (or several someone’s) let him commit suicide, that person (or persons) need to be held accountable for the death and the loss of information to prosecutors.
Epstein was evidence against a lot of people, allowing his death by letting him commit suicide is nothing short of destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThere's about equal amounts of Clinton and Trump photos floating around (and some of Prince Andrew) as possible suspects.
Honestly, all three were implicated.
You could even blame Kevin Spacey but I think that ship sailed.
Or Katie Couric!
(yes, she was a friend of Epstein's)
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 10th 2019 at 6:28:02 AM
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He didn't discharge the weapon tho,he held him gunpoint until the cops showed up
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