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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#287101: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:19:27 AM

From the clips I've seen, yes - but Rogan doesn't usually argue with his guests so much, he tends to approach things with an open mind (or give that impression) and just chat - the format is more about Joe trying to understand the other person's viewpoint/argument rather than one side or the other trying to win the other over.

It's kinda why people have a problem with him inviting alt-right reactionaries on the show, he (for the most part) gives them all the space they need to explain their awful views.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#287102: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:23:54 AM

Well yeah, I can understand if somebody has a problem with platforming Alt-Righters, but thats something to criticize Joe for.

Attacking Sanders for appearing with a non-alt right guy who occasionally platforms Alt-Right guys is some twice-around-the-corner guilt by association stuff.

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 9th 2019 at 2:24:18 PM

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#287103: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:32:23 AM

The association thing is exactly the point; are these the people you, as a Democratic presidential candidate, want to associate yourself with? Especially considering that Rogan himself has some pretty shitty views.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 9th 2019 at 8:32:51 AM

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#287104: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:41:26 AM

Meh, Jon Stewart went on Fox numerous times. I didn't think he was associating himself with Fox or Bill O'Reilly, but going onto their platform to explain his views to them and their audience. That's how I view left-wingers, including Senator Sanders, going on Joe Rogan's show.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Aug 9th 2019 at 1:41:53 PM

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#287105: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:43:41 AM

Yeah, as a politician, you have to put yourself out there, even on platforms you might not agree with.

And its not like he went on a real Alt-Right platform or anything.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#287106: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:47:07 AM

[up][up]Except Jon Stewart isn't a politician running for President. It's a somewhat different standard.

[up]That right there is basically you admitting you've got a limit as to what is an acceptable platform for a Democratic Party Presidential candidate to be on. To you, a "real" alt-right platform would be beyond the pale.

That's subjective though. To some us, something like FOX News — a blatantly rightwing propaganda network — is already too much. As is something like Joe Rogan's podcast.

Also — exactly how many alt-righters can a platform allow to peddle their toxic views and still not be a "real" alt-right platform in your book?

And let's not forget that this is Bernie Sanders we're talking about. He's already got some baggage when it comes dealing with issues outside of his economic stuff. This sort of thing does not help at all.

Edited by M84 on Aug 9th 2019 at 8:52:31 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#287107: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:52:55 AM

As long as the host himself isn't Alt-Right.

Like I said, I get why somebody would be against it, I myself also wouldn't do it, but having debates with people like this doesn't make him one of them.

I mean, take Contrapoints for example, she's had tons of debates with extreme right-wingers.

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#287108: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:54:47 AM

[up]Except Contrapoints specifically calls out the alt-right at every opportunity. She doesn't just let them be on her platform.

It's a blatant false equivalence. And I'm not even a real fan of Contrapoints either.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#287109: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:57:48 AM

[up][up]One, again, not running for president.

Two, if you're friends with someone who's friends with a bunch of alt-right types, people would still be justified for looking at you funny, because, A) why does your friend hang out with alt-righters despite not being alt-right, and B) why are you hanging out with someone with alt-right friends?

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 9th 2019 at 8:57:58 AM

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#287110: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:59:47 AM

Republicans will pull out all political money from Twitter after McConnell's campaign account was locked.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
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#287111: Aug 9th 2019 at 6:01:44 AM

[up]Countdown to account being restored starts now.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#287113: Aug 9th 2019 at 6:03:04 AM

I assume it means spending money on political ads on Twitter. So the GOP campaigns aren't going to buy ads on Twitter anymore (though I suppose Mitch's campaign's account being restored might change that).

Edited by M84 on Aug 9th 2019 at 9:04:33 PM

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#287114: Aug 9th 2019 at 6:03:10 AM

[up][up]I think it means they're going to stop paying Twitter for ad space on the platform. [nja]

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 9th 2019 at 9:04:01 AM

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Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#287115: Aug 9th 2019 at 6:06:00 AM

Sounds to me like a win-win for everyone except the GOP.

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
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#287116: Aug 9th 2019 at 6:15:22 AM

Yeah, I see no downside to Republicans refusing to advertise on one of the internet's biggest social media platforms.

Can we offend them into leaving Facebook too?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 9th 2019 at 7:16:45 AM

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#287117: Aug 9th 2019 at 6:16:31 AM

So, this is pretty disgusting: Trump and First Lady Smiling With Baby Orphaned in El Paso Massacre Draws Criticism: ‘Act Like a Human Being’

Listen, I don't care what your political affiliation is, you just don't do this.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#287118: Aug 9th 2019 at 6:17:36 AM

@ M84 I didn't say they are exactly the same, it was just the first comparison that came to mind, as Contra gets a lot of flak for merely debating right-wingers too.

@Physical I....honestly, I don't have a retort for that. I mean, I have a fairly conservative friend too, but yeah. Platforming is one thing, but why somebody would be personal friends with somebody as crazy as Alex Jones without being that crazy himself, that I don't get either.

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#287119: Aug 9th 2019 at 6:19:01 AM

[up]x4 So would I if I didn't expect Twitter to un-suspend the account an hour ago.

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#287120: Aug 9th 2019 at 7:16:17 AM

[up][up][up] Let's put that on the list of the things the POTUS and FLOTUS can apparently just do with no repercussions. Or does a hollow apology count as a repercussion?

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#287121: Aug 9th 2019 at 8:20:58 AM

Meanwhile on the campaign trail, Biden said, and I quote, "poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids". Which, uh...is pretty damn racist. And he did it at a town hall with the Asian and Latino Coalition.

YIKES.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#287123: Aug 9th 2019 at 8:24:26 AM

This is just one of the reasons I don't want Biden to win the primary.

This is one of the really telling gaffes. Even if he meant to say "rich" instead of "white", the fact that he said white is not a good sign.

Edited by M84 on Aug 9th 2019 at 11:26:07 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#287124: Aug 9th 2019 at 8:27:08 AM

Yeah, fuck Biden. The fact that he’s still in the lead astounds me. I’m thinking as the debates get narrower he’s gonna lose traction.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#287125: Aug 9th 2019 at 8:27:53 AM

And thats why I'll keep calling him Democrat version of Trump.

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