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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287076: Aug 8th 2019 at 9:23:29 PM

If anyone can be persuaded from Infowars, that'd be awesome.

Mind you, I used to like the show before I realized it wasn't parody (not even Stealth Parody).

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#287077: Aug 8th 2019 at 9:48:00 PM

Honestly appearing with Rogan just makes me think less of Sanders

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#287078: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:03:04 PM

Just to tie up the earlier conversation about racism and white men, 538 recently went over some numbers on racism and racial prejudice and they discovered something new, for the first time we’ve got a group of people who show an out-group bias on race, as in they’re more likely to have a favourable view of someone who isn’t the same race as them. That group is unsurprisingly white democrats.

They also had something about how, surprisingly, it seems that white people might be becoming less racist during Trump's presidency, largely due to white Democrats becoming more aware of persisting racial issues. Basically the reverse of the most racist people becoming emboldened by his presidency.

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The Shadow
#287079: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:10:54 PM

It seems formal impeachment proceedings have begun:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/08/nadler-this-is-formal-impeachment-proceedings-1454360

I can't wait for absolutely nothing to come of this

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287080: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:20:53 PM

My opinion is something has come from this already: a formally written down notice that Mr. Trump's actions are criminal.

You might not be able to arrest Evil Superman but you at least stated you would if you could.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#287081: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:36:27 PM

That doesn't count for shit if half the country doesn't believe he's evil and if the media will treat our inability to arrest him as proof of his innocence

Oh really when?
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#287082: Aug 9th 2019 at 12:10:56 AM

Don't be silly, Trump isn't evil Superman, he's stupid Lex Luthor.

Leviticus 19:34
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287083: Aug 9th 2019 at 12:42:02 AM

That doesn't count for shit if half the country doesn't believe he's evil and if the media will treat our inability to arrest him as proof of his innocence

The assumption that people will see the Senate clear him because of partisanship and think, "Oh, he must have actually been innocent all along" is pretty weaksauce. Especially as the alternative is, "The Democrats don't bring charges because...he's guilty?"

That's some weird logic there, friend.

In simple terms, Trump is eating a baby on camera. Do you not arrest him, even knowing you can't make the charges stick because of a literal deal with Satan? Because all not arresting him does is just show you don't believe he's done anything wrong.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 9th 2019 at 12:44:18 PM

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#287084: Aug 9th 2019 at 12:47:48 AM

Do you trust the media to treat the event as a criminal escaping justice?

Especially when again, half the country don't think he's done anything wrong

Oh really when?
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287085: Aug 9th 2019 at 1:05:00 AM

Then those half must be informed.

Do you think that will happen by not impeaching him?

Or maybe nothing will change their mind. That doesn't preclude the effort being made.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#287086: Aug 9th 2019 at 1:15:21 AM

When the guaranteed failure to impeach tells low information voters that Trump is an innocent man then yes we do.

We need to win, not fall on our swords for the sake of playing doomed moral victor

Oh really when?
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287087: Aug 9th 2019 at 1:36:22 AM

Versus, again, a failure to impeach confirms that there is nothing to accuse Trump of.

Again, I don't get the argument that not impeaching is less incriminating.

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#287088: Aug 9th 2019 at 1:55:25 AM

I think the discussion on the merits and demerits of Impeachment has been had before, multiple times.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#287089: Aug 9th 2019 at 2:30:56 AM

Kay.

Dropping it.

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Captain of the Dead City
#287090: Aug 9th 2019 at 3:12:01 AM

Honestly appearing with Rogan just makes me think less of Sanders

Don't see why, Rogan (whatever else you think of him and who he hosts) is one of the biggest podcasts in the world and has one of the biggest audiences in the world (I think that alone is already a significant amount of credibility/legitimacy and Sanders appearing on it won't change that much). And that audience are exactly the kind of people we should be trying to reach, because a lot of them aren't that far away from being converted (for the lack of a better term) to a more left-wing way of looking at things. Many are justifiably angry at economic inequality and disillusioned with the current political landscape. The problem is that right-wing pundits lead them towards blaming the wrong people and end up in an echo chamber of lolbertarian, alt-right and far-right talking points, conspiracy theories and rhetoric and you have to break into those echo chambers to break people out. Now, I used to watch Joe Rogan, and I stopped watching it because even though Rogan presents himself as politically neutral and broad-minded and just invites people "he's interested to talk with" on his show, I saw an uptick in the amount of alt-right, anti-PC brigade getting airtime and less and less left-wingers. Now, I'm not about to start complaining about more left-wingers like David Pakman, Cornel West or even Bernie Sanders appearing in a space that has often platformed prominent members of the alt-right because that audience are the guys we want to convince to change their minds.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#287091: Aug 9th 2019 at 3:34:18 AM

Surprised that Rogan's transphobic views didn't already turn you off from him.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#287092: Aug 9th 2019 at 3:37:52 AM

First time I'm hearing that Joe Rogan is a transphobe

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#287093: Aug 9th 2019 at 3:41:16 AM

He's been very critical of trans women competing in contact sports against cis women because of the physiological differences. At the time I was watching him, which a few years back at this point, that kinda went over my head.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#287094: Aug 9th 2019 at 3:44:33 AM

If he's not a hardcore transphobe himself, he's at best been badly misinformed on these issues and helped spread said misinformation.

Disgusted, but not surprised
GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#287095: Aug 9th 2019 at 3:59:54 AM

And platformed some actual hardline transphobes of course.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#287096: Aug 9th 2019 at 4:43:24 AM

I don't have an opinion on Rogan, I've never heard of him. Getting a general feel of someone who is not part of the left politically, is a political commentator so almost by definition has to trade in some level of controversy and may have some questionable beliefs - I'm not exactly in a rush to learn more about him.

Either way however, I'm generally thinking that it's too early to go on that sort of show. If we were deep within the primary season and we were down to less than five candidates then Sanders showing his ability to connect with non-Democrat voters would be a good thing, given that we would in effect be transitioning to the general election at that point.

Right now however, when we still need to take off our socks to count the Democrat candidates, I'm not sure it's a good move unless it resonates somehow with the Democrat Primary electorate. Going on Fox News was a good move as it became a talking point in and of itself within left wing media that Sanders was getting a positive reception there (bonus: it even got Trump annoyed with his favourite network). Will Rogan have the same effect? - not so certain.

Edited by singularityshot on Aug 9th 2019 at 4:43:53 AM

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#287097: Aug 9th 2019 at 4:55:20 AM

Sanders appearing on the Joe Rogan show reminds me of Yang appearing on the H3 podcast, run by Ethan Klein (if I have my youtubers right).

For extra context, past guests on the podcast include Jordan Peterson and (IIRC) Ben Shapiro.

So there's that.

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#287098: Aug 9th 2019 at 4:56:00 AM

Just gotta be prepared for any loaded questions that Fox might send their way. Sanders was wise to take it up with Bret Baier. Might work with Chris Wallace and Shep Smith. Stay the fuck away from Sean Hannity, Jeanne Pirro, and Tucker Carlson.

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#287099: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:14:40 AM

[up][up] And Milo Yiannopoulos, Gavin McInnes, Stefan Molyneux, Dave Rubin and so on.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#287100: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:15:29 AM

Did Joe and Sanders actually agree on anything or what? Didn't watch the show.

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