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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#287026: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:04:59 PM

[up][up] Yes; I was clarifying my point.

[up] I think we’ve beaten the horse to death and should probably move on.

Edited by wisewillow on Aug 8th 2019 at 5:05:15 AM

CustardAndPie Oh Captain!~ from in a tank 'bout to steal yo girl Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Remembering what Mama said
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#287027: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:05:21 PM

Whoa, I come back and suddenly there's a big ol' debate with a side of accusations of racism.

Let me clarify what I meant.

Statistically, many of the people committing these crimes are white men. Not just any white men, of course, but white men who view being a white man as the default, and wanting to maintain that default. Not only that, but the increasing prominence of the incel movement is dominated by, you guessed it, white men. I've had quite a few run-ins with these types of people online and in real life, and while I've never been physically attacked I still know damn well they're not the type of people you want to set off.

As far as racism accusations go: I'm white. I'm not a self-hating white person, either, because I understand I have more privileges than, say, a black woman or a trans woman. That doesn't change the fact that there's groups of white men committing these horrible acts against people and causing terror. I am more than willing to admit that, historically, white people have caused a lot of problems in this world, and that needs to change. We all need to change, for the better. No one's better than another because of their skin color, sexual orientation, etc. White supremacists, however, don't want that, and because of that we need to stop viewing their ideology as a legitimate political stance.

Edited by CustardAndPie on Aug 8th 2019 at 7:08:19 AM

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#287028: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:15:53 PM

I wonder what things would be like if one of us took over the Republican party.

I'd probably still be a fascist, but I'd make much more of an effort to combat social injustice, climate change, and corporate greed. Would certainly shoot any messenger that white supremacists and lobbyists would send me, because they're the worst of parasites.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#287029: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:18:09 PM

... fascism is bad. No matter what supposed good intentions it has.

CustardAndPie Oh Captain!~ from in a tank 'bout to steal yo girl Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Remembering what Mama said
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#287030: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:20:52 PM

[up][up]...Do you even understand what fascism is?

Edited by CustardAndPie on Aug 8th 2019 at 7:21:08 AM

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#287031: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:22:19 PM

So, we have a friend who caught a bullet in the lung during the El Paso shooting. She was in the ICU last we heard.

The reason I bring this up is because we just found out her mom was at the hospital when Trump popped by on his low-key El Paso visit. She's facing an assault charge right now because she tried to get in his face screaming obscenities at the President of the United States. Two cops apparently held her back.

I don't know all the details, but I'm kinda jealous that she got to call Trump a racist murder-enabling shit-weasel to his face. Not jealous of the assault charge, but I can't exactly blame her, either.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 8th 2019 at 6:23:55 AM

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#287032: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:23:56 PM

The reason I bring this up is because we just found out her mom was at the hospital when Trump popped by on his low-key El Paso visit. She's facing an assault charge right now because she tried to get in his face screaming obscenities at the President of the United States. Two cops apparently held her back.

Is your friend's mom going to be alright? An assault charge against the president sounds like a really bad time.

EDIT: Oh, and uh I hope your friend will recover too. I should have mentioned that to begin with.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Aug 8th 2019 at 8:32:14 AM

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#287033: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:31:31 PM

[up][up]Yikes. Hope your friend's mom (and your friend of course) will be okay.

Edited by CustardAndPie on Aug 8th 2019 at 7:31:53 AM

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#287034: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:32:03 PM

I’d suspect that the charge isn’t assaulting the president, it’s be assaulting the cops who held her back, though assaulting a cop is still a serious charge.

Just to tie up the earlier conversation about racism and white men, 538 recently went over some numbers on racism and racial prejudice and they discovered something new, for the first time we’ve got a group of people who show an out-group bias on race, as in they’re more likely to have a favourable view of someone who isn’t the same race as them.

That group is unsurprisingly white democrats.

Oh and the Trump supporting poor myth came up again so I’ll ad to that, Trump got massive support from rural whites with low levels of education, that’s not the same thing as poor rural whites, there are plenty of poorly educated people with a solid existence and plenty of recent graduates unable to make ends meet.

Edited by Silasw on Aug 8th 2019 at 12:32:51 PM

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#287035: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:38:10 PM

Perhaps you're right in calling me out. I know that fascism is dead for a reason, as it dictates every aspect of every individual's life, and usually not for the better. What I'm looking for is absolute rule that bypasses the sluggishness of democratic decisiveness, for the sake of radical change. Perhaps "authoritarian" is the more accurate term. I'm considering that the idea of freedom has allowed white supremacists and lobbyists to flourish unchecked, and I'd use authoritarian power to stamp it out. I'd be willing to use more democratic solutions for other matters, but under my rule, freedom would only be instated when a far greater majority of the population is fit to have it. As of right now, they aren't.

I know this sounds like an extremist talking, but for me, conservative threats may require conservative answers. I'm sure many of you will disagree, but you try reasoning with the biggest fanatical enemies of our time!

PS: Also hope that woman ends up on top.

Edited by RainingMetal on Aug 8th 2019 at 5:39:57 AM

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#287036: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:40:44 PM

[up][up]This makes me curious how many people with poor education voted for Hillary (since not voting for Trump doesn't automatically mean they voted for Hillary, I'd imagine most of them who didn't vote Trump just abstained out of apathy or lack of understanding), and their rationale for doing so.

Edited by PresidentStalkeyes on Aug 8th 2019 at 1:42:08 PM

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#287037: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:45:01 PM

Perhaps you're right in calling me out. I know that fascism is dead for a reason, as it dictates every aspect of every individual's life, and usually not for the better. What I'm looking for is absolute rule that bypasses the sluggishness of democratic decisiveness, for the sake of radical change. Perhaps "authoritarian" is the more accurate term. I'm considering that the idea of freedom has allowed white supremacists and lobbyists to flourish unchecked, and I'd use authoritarian power to stamp it out. I'd be willing to use more democratic solutions for other matters, but under my rule, freedom would only be instated when a far greater majority of the population is fit to have it. As of right now, they aren't.

I know this sounds like an extremist talking, but for me, conservative threats may require conservative answers. I'm sure many of you will disagree, but you try reasoning with the biggest fanatical enemies of our time!

Authoritarianism would absolutely be the right word, fascism refers to a specific form of right-wing ultranationalist reactionary authoritarianism. So one couldn't be fascist and reject the uglier bits of the Republican Party.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 8th 2019 at 5:46:06 AM

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#287038: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:45:03 PM

[up][up]I'd seriously love to see that. I'm especially curious on how many of those with poor education voted third party.

Edited by CustardAndPie on Aug 8th 2019 at 7:45:58 AM

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#287039: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:03:28 PM

It is of course important to remember that being poorly-educated in academic terms doesn't necessarily mean stupid.

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#287040: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:05:49 PM

It is of course important to remember that being poorly-educated in academic terms doesn't necessarily mean stupid.

Yeah, basically. Where I live (Brazil) education is unfortunately a predictor in people voting for far-right candidates.

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#287041: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:08:08 PM

[up][up]That's why I tried to be careful with my wording. If you're poorly educated, you're not necessarily dumb, just greatly misinformed the majority of the time. Plus, smart people are also capable of doing stupid things.

Edited by CustardAndPie on Aug 8th 2019 at 8:08:53 AM

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#287042: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:12:11 PM

Precisely. Don't worry, I wasn't correcting you, I was more correcting myself. :V

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#287043: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:23:02 PM

All the more reason to make sure the country's education is up to standards. That, and making people understand the difference between "you're" and "your".

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#287044: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:29:30 PM

Perhaps you're right in calling me out. I know that fascism is dead for a reason, as it dictates every aspect of every individual's life, and usually not for the better. What I'm looking for is absolute rule that bypasses the sluggishness of democratic decisiveness, for the sake of radical change. Perhaps "authoritarian" is the more accurate term. I'm considering that the idea of freedom has allowed white supremacists and lobbyists to flourish unchecked, and I'd use authoritarian power to stamp it out. I'd be willing to use more democratic solutions for other matters, but under my rule, freedom would only be instated when a far greater majority of the population is fit to have it. As of right now, they aren't.

I'm sorry what

Oh really when?
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#287045: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:35:55 PM

IINM, "poorly educated" is a synonym to "ignorant".

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#287046: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:38:28 PM

It's not like authoritarian regimes have consistently led to genocides and aggressive war in the past.

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#287047: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:48:16 PM

Also true. But I don't think these fanatics are going to come in quietly or pull a Heel–Face Turn. There may be blood.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#287048: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:49:15 PM

So...what? Fight authoritarianism with more authoritarianism?

It’s a little self-defeating if you end up with something just as bad as what you were trying to get rid of.

They should have sent a poet.
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#287049: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:49:38 PM

What even are you going on about.

Oh really when?
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#287050: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:50:45 PM

I'm sorry to be blunt, but this isn't really the thread to give significant space to someone's "if I ruled the country" daydream, is it?

It's been fun.

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