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#286901: Aug 8th 2019 at 3:36:51 AM

Yeah, I'd say it's a coin flip if Trump ends up changing his mind on gun legislation. He doesn't care about guns or the NRA one way or the other, so it'll be down to what his advisers and Fox News say. Though honestly between Mitch and Trump wanting to use it as a political football I don't see anything getting passed anyway

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#286902: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:26:26 AM

If I were to apply for an American citizenship, which state could benefit from my vote the most? I want the best chances of getting an important swing state to vote blue.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#286903: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:29:17 AM

Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania probably.

Reposting from prior page:

ICE kidnapped 680 undocumented workers in Mississippi, leaving their children behind.

An immigrant rights group summed it up well:

Trump’s war on immigrants is escalating.

Days after the deadly attack on Latinos in El Paso, hours before ‘offering condolences’ to the people he helped target, Trump gave the OK to carry out the largest single-state raid in our nation’s history. [1/x]

Today, that war shattered nearly 700 families, more than 700 lives.

It’s no coincidence that the raids took place across 7 sites in areas that are hard to reach, where there is little to no infrastructure in place to help deal with the aftermath. [2/x]

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#286904: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:33:43 AM

> If I were to apply for an American citizenship, which state could benefit from my vote the most? I want the best chances of getting an important swing state to vote blue.

Applying for American citizenship so you vote in their elections is an interesting strategy,though given how long it takes the election might be over before your granted citizenship

As for what state would benefit the most?The answer is any really

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Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#286905: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:37:13 AM

~Septimus Heap Thank you for your argument.

[up][up][up][up] Trump is a New Yorker who has supported Clinton and other Democrats in the past. That he wouldn't actually mind more liberal policies is/was a point of concern for many Republicans. That and Trump doesn't actually have political beliefs, just stances that are convenient. I wouldn't be surprised if he tosses some of his allies out the window once he doesn't need to win reelection. Trump is the worst sort of person who has all the moral fiber of a puddle of water. Not that you needed me to tell you that.

Edited by Soban on Aug 8th 2019 at 9:40:34 AM

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#286906: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:38:29 AM

Even with all your paperwork sorted and everything going as smoothly as it can possibly be you're gonna miss the 2020 election by a pretty long ways.

Becoming a full fledged citizen is something of a significant process.

Oh really when?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#286907: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:38:35 AM

^^Now see, I distinctly remember that exact kind of drama playing out during pre-Trump immigration raids, including the part about children being stranded behind.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#286908: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:53:27 AM

They got banned for that? The same platform that lets #Massacre Mitch trend banned them for that? Like I've been trying to stay away from Bias in news and platforms, but you have got to be kidding me.

This isn't even both sidesing.

This is a straight up lie now.

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#286909: Aug 8th 2019 at 7:12:24 AM

I want to be clear that I'm not defending Mitch, my most likely response is going to be along the lines of "people disagree with that assessment".

There are people who disagree that the Earth is round.

Just because someone somewhere thinks something is true doesn't mean they need an advocate.

The NRA turns on Trump the second he starts expressing desire for some background check reform. As much as I dislike Trump, I will say that he is not anywhere near the level of pure evil that is the National Rifle Association.

The ugliest truth about Trump is that he's not the worst evil that the Conservative Right has in play. He's only the most visible.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 8th 2019 at 8:12:58 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#286910: Aug 8th 2019 at 7:17:20 AM

Trump is, for a lack of better term, simply too stupid to be the most evil the conservatives have to offer.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#286911: Aug 8th 2019 at 9:11:05 AM

Could we maybe talk about the people being permanently traumatized or killed rather than keep going in circles about Trump? Like. It doesn’t matter exactly why he does what he does, he’s not doing this alone, and the victims are the people who matter.

A man who lived in the United States since he was a toddler died after being deported to Iraq, a country he’d never set foot in.

Children devastated by ICE rounding up their parents in massive Mississippi raids last night.

Many children didn’t have a loved one or family friend to go home to. Some walked home from school but were locked out because their parents were detained in the raid.

Volunteers set up a makeshift shelter for the children at a local gym, WJTV’s Alex Love reported. There was food, “but most children are still devastated and crying for their parents and can’t eat,” Love said on Twitter.

Edited by wisewillow on Aug 8th 2019 at 9:12:23 AM

Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#286912: Aug 8th 2019 at 9:25:12 AM

There is no good answer for what to do with those Children. There are roughly four options, none of them are goid

1. Leave them there

2. Put them with their parents

3. Put them in foster care

4. Put them in their own holding facility

Perhaps instead of criminalizing wanting to build a life here, we should welcome them and make it easy for them to not worry about getting arrested and start paying taxes. I fully believe that the vast majority of immigrants are net positives and heavily out weigh the ones that aren't.

Edited by Soban on Aug 8th 2019 at 12:25:59 PM

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#286913: Aug 8th 2019 at 9:25:47 AM

A man who lived in the United States since he was a toddler died after being deported to Iraq, a country he’d never set foot in.
What's the law for being an accessory to murder in the US? I want to know how culpable (from a legal standpoint) Trump and Congressional Republicans are in Aldaoud's death.note 

Edited by MarqFJA on Aug 8th 2019 at 7:27:02 PM

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#286914: Aug 8th 2019 at 9:28:07 AM

Not at all probably, deporting people isn't a crime. It's morally criminal not legally.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#286915: Aug 8th 2019 at 9:28:55 AM

[up][up] I highly doubt you could get a murder charge to stick there, much less accessory to murder. Maybe you could get negligence on the part of the officials who oversaw the critical parts of the deportation process, if it could be proven that his death was the result of a mistake by the US, but that would just be low level guys, and it’s quite possible even that wouldn’t stick.

Edited by archonspeaks on Aug 8th 2019 at 9:29:47 AM

They should have sent a poet.
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#286916: Aug 8th 2019 at 9:29:10 AM

Perhaps instead of criminalizing wanting to build a life here, we should welcome them and make it easy for them to not worry about getting arrested and start paying taxes. I fully believe that the vast majority of immigrants are net positives and heavily out weigh the ones that aren't.

That right there is the good answer for what to do with these children.

The correct answer to "Where should we put children after tearing their parents away from them" is to not be tearing parents away from children just for existing.

Problems we create are never unsolvable. The solution is to stop creating the problem.

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#286917: Aug 8th 2019 at 10:08:38 AM

and start paying taxes.

Here's something dumb: Undocumented immigrants already pay taxes. In fact they categorically pay more in taxes than they receive back in benefits.

Also, regarding Jimmy Aldaoud's case:

What's arguably extra terrible here is that he was a Chaldean Christian. Born in Greece. Fucking American Conservatives can't even Islamophobe right.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#286918: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:28:04 AM

Perhaps instead of criminalizing wanting to build a life here, we should welcome them and make it easy for them to not worry about getting arrested and start paying taxes. I fully believe that the vast majority of immigrants are net positives and heavily out weigh the ones that aren't.

Entirely right - the problem is that we've got a President whose campaign was built on the "Evil Foreigner" trope, and his chief advisor for immigration policy, Stephen Miller, is virulently xenophobic, to the point that he suggested allowing NO refugees into the US next year, and has proposed a "merit-based" immigration standard that's so stringent that most people would be denied a chance to APPLY, let alone actually enter.

And the cruelest irony is that Trump's grandfather, Friedrich, is a huge example of both Chain Migration (came to live with his sister), which is something Trump railed against. As for Stephen Miller? His grandparents were Russian refugees escaping the anti-Jewish pogroms of the time, and both of these assholes are blatantly of the "Fuck you, got mine!" mentality.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#286919: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:34:09 AM

Miller's own family has called him out for his hypocritical xenophobia.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#286920: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:35:32 AM

Trump's campaign was based on xenophobia so there's no chance he'll change his opinion on anything.

Also, the NRA is fucked.

What are they going to do? Vote Democrat?

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#286921: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:37:43 AM

A man who lived in the United States since he was a toddler died after being deported to Iraq, a country he’d never set foot in.
I called this three years ago. Well, not this specific example but I knew that in Trump administration's reckless goal to deport as many people as possible, they'd inevitably get really sloppy. And it wouldn't surprise me if the sloppiness is deliberate, to act as a cruel deterrent.

What a tragic story.

Edited by speedyboris on Aug 8th 2019 at 11:39:25 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#286922: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:42:20 AM

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/nra-facing-internal-turmoil-as-activists-call-for-gun-control/

Here's the information on the NRA's present situation.

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#286923: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:48:34 AM

Stephen Miller would work great back in the Kremlin.

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#286924: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:48:36 AM

Christ. Remind me what their sterling logic is for all these deportations? Is it still because they believe that immigrants are all in on some nefarious scheme to come over and displace American culture while stealing all their money for drug habits/terrorist plots/cheap houmous, and this is indoctrinated in so hard that even toddlers who've never set foot in their supposed home country are in on it, too?

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#286925: Aug 8th 2019 at 11:48:42 AM

If a Democrat gets elected in 2020 would it be enough to save them?


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