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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#286776: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:22:26 AM

Couldn't even last four days without regressing back to the usual.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#286777: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:25:17 AM

I'm only surprised it took this long.

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Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#286778: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:25:59 AM

You know, if Trump could stay off twitter, he would have a much higher chance of reelection.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#286779: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:26:39 AM

It'd be the opposite. His inane tweets are part of his appeal to his voter base.

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#286780: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:26:42 AM

I'm only surprised it took this long.

...to wrestle his phone away from his handlers.

All those Big Macs must be having an impact on his dexterity.

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#286781: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:28:55 AM

The calls of "Look, that mass shooter was a LEFT-WINGER" from the right in relation to the Dayton shooter in order to create a false equivalency of both sides just plain ignore that the Dayton had no political motive that anyone can confirm, while the El Paso shooter is linked to a racist manifesto posted on 8chan.

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#286782: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:29:36 AM

Who else is his voter base going to vote for? Kamala Harris? The question for this election is the people in the middle who are currently undecided.

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#286783: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:32:20 AM

[up][up]It's pretty sad that the Right is so desperate to blame something on the Left that all they're taking from the Dayton shooter is that he had vaguely leftists beliefs. Alright, maybe he wasn't another White Nationalist terrorist but in that case this shooting was almost certainly not political at all. Just a random act.

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#286784: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:34:50 AM

On the other hand, if the Dayton shooter had similar loose links to Republicans would the left be harping on it nonstop? Yhea, I think they would.

Edited by Soban on Aug 7th 2019 at 10:35:25 AM

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#286785: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:36:25 AM

[up]Again with the false equivalences...

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Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#286786: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:39:29 AM

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#286787: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:42:19 AM

[up]It's kind of inappropriate to respond to Trump trying to blame this tragedy on Warren, Sanders, and Antifa by going "I'm sure the Democratic Party would do the same thing in his shoes".

You're insinuating that they are no better than Trump. This is textbook "bothsiding".

And I'm saying this as someone who can't stand Sanders and is one of the only people in this thread who doesn't fully trust Warren.

Edited by M84 on Aug 7th 2019 at 10:44:26 PM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#286788: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:53:59 AM

I'll also note that the Dayton shooter was also known as a gun lover, raging misogynist and despite his leftist is online posts, didn't target an ICE facility or Republican gathering.

Trump repeatedly says Mexicans are rapists and killers who are invading and laughs when his supporters suggest shooting them. Warren and Sanders' most angry extreme statements have been that rich people should pay more taxes.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#286789: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:54:18 AM

Remember all those Warren rallies where she attacked minorities, the disadvatanged, and anyone who didn't like her while her audience chanted calls for violence and she did nothing to deter it?

Seriously, wtf. Even if Dayton was a leftist shooter, there's still the issue of yet another young, white male shooting people due to imagine sleights.

Edit edit: And barring that, there's still been far more right wing terrorism in the country than left wing. So stop with the both sidesings, Soban

Edited by NoName999 on Aug 7th 2019 at 8:18:10 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#286790: Aug 7th 2019 at 7:55:28 AM

The Dayton shooter arguably had more in common with Elliot Rodger than Willem Van Spronsen.

Edited by M84 on Aug 7th 2019 at 10:56:00 PM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#286791: Aug 7th 2019 at 8:04:05 AM

And even if both shootings were radically motivated, they still could have been prevented if there had been better gun regulations.

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#286792: Aug 7th 2019 at 8:22:23 AM

>You're insinuating that they are no better than Trump. This is textbook "bothsiding".

... what? That's a bit like saying that because republicans and democrats exploit gaffes that I'm saying their the same. No, exploiting gaffes is politics 101.

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#286793: Aug 7th 2019 at 8:24:58 AM

[up]No, you were basically stating that if the Dayton shooter had tenuous links to the GOP then Sanders or Warren would be tweeting about it just like Trump is.

I'm not the only poster who has noticed this tendency to bothside things. Heck, I'm not even the first one to bring it up.

Edited by M84 on Aug 7th 2019 at 11:29:16 PM

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#286794: Aug 7th 2019 at 8:31:57 AM

There's a massive difference between being a shooter who directly cites political/racial/culture-war talking points and conspiracy theories in their written manifesto for the shootings and being a shooter that has expressed political opinions online.

The Dayton shooter was a sick dude who was obsessed with death, mass shootings, and many of his old classmates have come forward to say they aren't surprised this happened, he wasn't right in the head. There's no link between the fact he held left-wing views and his shootings. Same can't be said for the mass shootings that can be considered acts of far-right domestic terrorism.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Aug 7th 2019 at 4:32:58 PM

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#286795: Aug 7th 2019 at 8:40:55 AM

>No, you were basically stating that if the Dayton shooter had tenuous links to the GOP then Sanders or Warren would be tweeting about it just like Trump is.

I don't think I mentioned Sanders or Warren and if not just like, but in the same direction but yhea. And this is something that I think should be pretty obvious.

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#286796: Aug 7th 2019 at 8:42:55 AM

[up]This was about Trump tweeting about the shooter being a fan of Sanders and Warren. You responded by claiming that that the same thing would have happened in the other direction if the Dayton shooter posted stuff sympathetic to the Republicans.

Much as I don't particularly like Sanders or Warren, I can't see them doing anything like that.

Edited by M84 on Aug 7th 2019 at 11:43:42 PM

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#286797: Aug 7th 2019 at 8:48:21 AM

Many right-wing news sources are also crowing over the "he supported Sanders/Warren on Twitter" point.

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#286798: Aug 7th 2019 at 8:59:12 AM

It's a combination of bothsiding and Hitler Ate Sugar.

The El Paso shooter left a manifesto saying "I murdered minorities because I hate minorities and I love Trump."

The Dayton shooter was a leftist with no known meaning behind his actions. He had ideologies, but there's no clear connection between them and his action.

It's precisely the "the suspect played video games, thus video games caused this" mentality of the past.

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#286799: Aug 7th 2019 at 9:01:43 AM

And the present. Don't forget that plenty of Republican pundits and politicians are also trying to pin this on videogames...again. Without even confirming that either shooter even played violent games.

Edited by M84 on Aug 8th 2019 at 12:02:08 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#286800: Aug 7th 2019 at 9:15:08 AM

... what? That's a bit like saying that because republicans and democrats exploit gaffes that I'm saying their the same. No, exploiting gaffes is politics 101.
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Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 7th 2019 at 10:20:20 AM


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