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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Money's on Kushner taking the role a la Saudi Arabia.
Edited by Larkmarn on Aug 6th 2019 at 2:47:19 PM
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.To be clear, I am not saying that all gun owners believe in the things I posted. Most polled gun owners in the U.S. are in favor of stronger regulations. However, by voting in Republicans on the basis of their NRA credentials, they are de facto approving of that mindset. It's the logical conclusion of their choices. They make themselves a part of the problem.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Soban: Show me a Democratic candidate for President who wants to "take away everyone's guns". The slippery slope argument doesn't work because the only other option is "do nothing and send thoughts and prayers".
I mean, you could vote for Republicans in primary elections who aren't enslaved to the NRA. That'd send a message that compromise is at least on the table.
Edited by Fighteer on Aug 6th 2019 at 3:41:08 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Soban has a history of yelling “democrats bad” and not responding when asked to show democrats actually doing the thing they accuse democrats of.
We’re pretty past the point of a good faith discussion now.
Edited by Silasw on Aug 6th 2019 at 7:50:19 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThat's why when I questioned one of ~Soban's claims I pages them as well.
They're totally convinced of the idea that Mutually Assured Destruction on an individual scale would end gun violence forever.
Yeah, that idea only works if, when someone fires a gun, you have enough time to look up, identify the person firing the gun, and shoot your own gun before the first bullet even hits anyone, and that would require bullets to travel at speeds so slow that they're not even dangerous.
That's strawmaning people like Soban's point... coming from some one who supports the democratic party and stronger gun regulations... they do have idiotic policies when it comes to firearms, focused mostly on what makes a gun scary, rather then what makes a gun deadly.
Just look at things like "Assault Weapon Bans" which are almost entirely focused on cosmetic attributes of a gun, that any one with a will and 100$ can bypass.
Ideally, if you want to restrict incidences of mass causality like this, one would look to policies that prevent the hoarding of ammunition like we have back home, without bullets a gun is just a stick...
Edited by Imca on Aug 6th 2019 at 1:24:31 AM
The cognitive dissonance I'm getting with the good guy with a gun argument is that it requires everyone to act in a rational manner.
It sort of implies that a mass shooter wouldn't begin his rampage for fear of getting shot. Which implies that the shooter wants to survive the shooting themselves and continue living. Which to me would imply that they didn't actually want to commit mass murder because doing so ends your life.
All of that is a rational way of seeing the problem. But you don't get rational mass murderers. It's almost a contradiction in terms.
I suppose the only other way to look at it is that the good guy with a gun argument is a theoretical damage limitation exercise. That having everyone armed in theory makes it harder to "get a high score". But what a fatalistic view to take: pretty much saying that a dozen or so people have to be killed for no apparent reason every time a shooter gets it into his head that he needs to shoot some people just to get his point across. Those deaths are simply the price that society pays for having guns - when personally I think that even one death is too high a price.
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For all that some Democrats may be proposing stupid ideas, not one Republican has put forth a single workable idea. Start with something, anything. Make a good-faith effort. Understand that what the other side really wants is not to be shot dead by some madman. I promise that common ground will develop.
Edited by Fighteer on Aug 6th 2019 at 4:28:29 AM
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You mean like proposing a ban on a component that the person doesn't even know what it does?
Which would be a fair judgement, given the highly questionable morality of advocating for politically-motivated violence.
Re: Guns, I believe every 2020 Democrat has endorsed an assault weapons ban, which is basically a non-starter policy for most gun owners.
Edited by archonspeaks on Aug 6th 2019 at 2:09:12 AM
They should have sent a poet."Highly questionable" does not equal "immoral". Verify the true nature of her reasoning before judging the (im)morality of her call. None of us are mind-readers, after all.
Edited by MarqFJA on Aug 6th 2019 at 12:10:34 PM
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Yeah, I’d say calling for the death of a political opposition figure is always immoral. I’ve already evaluated how I feel about the morality of wishing for someone’s death.
Not only is it immoral, it’s plain old unhelpful too. All you get is a momentary catharsis at the expense of casting doubt on any position you might have held.
Edited by archonspeaks on Aug 6th 2019 at 2:14:55 AM
They should have sent a poet.Political violence in this context in the United States is not justified practically or morally, whether it could become justified in some hypothetical United States is not relevant and thus it's probably best to avoid such hypotheticals unless absolutely necessary.
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