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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Don't you think if America was as progressive as this forum, Republicans would have been made irrelevant like long, long, LONG ago?
This is no more easily demonstrated than the recent strife that gripped the ranks of the Democrats a couple of weeks ago, just before Trump's racist attacks on the four female Democrats that got elected to the House last year reminded the agitators that there's a much bigger threat they should be all united against.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Don't you think if America was as progressive as this forum, Republicans would have been made irrelevant like long, long, LONG ago?
Hopefully, enough Americans want "anyone but Trump 2020" and understand that the only actual option that meets that criterium and can possibly win will be the democratic nominee, so that if said nominee is actually progressive, the moderates will have to go along with it.
Taking off my rose-colored glasses now.
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That doesn't work, because people split between two candidates they don't like just choose not to vote.
If you gave the votes of every American that didn't vote in 2016 to a third candidate (Bob Mc Randomguy), Bob would've won the election. (Source is a Google search, which suggests there was 58.1% voter turnout, so Bob would have gotten 41.9% of the popular vote with Trump and Clinton having ~29% each).
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I've seen plenty of Democrats beat the "Implicit Bias" drum too. Obviously in very different contexts.
On a side note, I've nerd-sniped myself with the idea of seeing how many electoral votes Bob would've won. NPR suggests that it would be possible to win the election with only 23% of the popular vote: https://www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500112248/how-to-win-the-presidency-with-27-percent-of-the-popular-vote
This would work by getting 50% +1 of the vote in enough states to get 270 electoral college votes and getting none anywhere else.
Edited by bitemytail on Aug 5th 2019 at 2:13:43 AM
x6 As was discussed a few dozen or so pages back, the Right is by no means unified.
Hell, the more extreme factions seem to hate the 'regular' conservatives even more than they hate leftists.
Edited by Forenperser on Aug 5th 2019 at 11:11:52 AM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
x 6 But the bulk of them usually do have a much easier time forming a unified front in the legislatures or voting for the GOP candidate for governor/president just to spite the left. Of course, as shown by the GOP's attempts to destroy Obamacare after Trump's inauguration, this unity collapses the moment they start doing actual politics.
Edited by MarqFJA on Aug 5th 2019 at 12:55:45 PM
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/democratic_nomination_polls/
From Aug 2
- Politico/Morning Consult:
- Biden 32
- Sanders 18
- Warren 15
- Harris 10
- Buttigieg 6
- O'Rourke 3
- Booker 3
- Yang 2
- Castro 1
- Gabbard 1
- Steyer 1
- Klobuchar 1
- Delaney 1
- Harvard-Harris:
- Biden 34
- Sanders 17
- Warren 8
- Harris 9
- Buttigieg 4
- O'Rourke 3
- Booker 2
- Yang 1
- Castro 1
- Gabbard 0
- Steyer 1
- Klobuchar 1
- Delaney 0
Edited by bitemytail on Aug 5th 2019 at 2:54:40 AM
Are people seriously trying to call the primary now? We have no idea where the support of smaller candidates will go until they start dropping, once we have four candidates we can start looking at where things stand, while polls still matter right now the person leading is no guaranteed a win when their lead is under 50%.
And before anyone brings up the 2016 Republican primary, democrats work under different rules, Biden can’t win all the delegates by getting 30% the democrat primary works on a proportional representation system.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThere's a lot of people who have been expecting things to turn around but the fact is that all of the candidates are in, Biden's lead is not just big but manifestly bigger, and the things that people expected would knock him down haven't. It's not so much that the others don't have a chance, it's that everything so far has been consistent and unchanging.
Also, delegate wise, Biden is a old rocking horse of the Democratic Party.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 5th 2019 at 4:07:56 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.And most people skew between the two depending on the issue. Very few people are entirely 'left' or 'right' on every issue.
Exactly this, it's not that the American populace is all moderate or all progressive. They're just weirdly non-idealogical and thus support some very progressive positions while opposing other, comparably progressive, ones
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Also, delegate wise, Biden is a old rocking horse of the Democratic Party.
This is incorrect
, if you look at his approval rating over time it has been significantly less static then what you've suggested.
There is a good chance that he will win the primary but it's not close to being over yet and this certainty is not justified, he's done well and then crashed down before.
Biden may win or he may not. But nothing is set in stone.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangIn two months Biden dropped 20 points, and he has yet to fully recover.
Yes, Biden can absolutely win but it would be a mistake to feel like he can't lose. He's dropped significantly and we could see that happen again, everyone should understand the possibility of a Biden victory but it's most certainly not inevitable.
There is still time for Warren or Sanders to beat him, and I don't think it's accurate to say otherwise.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

Is correct, even a large chunk of the democratic party is conservitive as well.... pretty much the base of the minority vote, which is one of the areas he dominates... Republicians just do a very good job of scaring off every one not a straight white man regardless of what the rest of there policies are.
Edited by Imca on Aug 5th 2019 at 1:22:56 AM