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#286226: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:13:03 PM

Yeah, it makes sense from that perspective. It's just that she's making it a bit obvious at times.

In 2016 all of the Republican primary debates all of the candidates ignored Trump even though he was leading in the polls at the time; they sort of assumed he would fall apart. Given that context, I have no problem with Harris not trying to have history repeat itself and focus on taking down Biden.

I find it useful to remember Lincoln's explanation of why he didn't get rid of Grant during the Civil War; "I can't spare this man; he fights". We can't spare Harris as a candidate; she fights. (She's not the only one, obviously.)

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#286227: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:13:46 PM

Yang has his moments, but his issue with "identity politics" and his total lack of public sector experience should be deal breakers.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#286228: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:14:59 PM

Okay so. Award for "most pre-prepared barb” goes to... Still Gillibrand for randomly saying the first thing she would do in the Oval Office is bleach everything.

But Harris talking about Biden running for president "this time" awkwardly and pointedly is a close second.

[up] Oh, he's incredibly flawed. But credit where it's due, he's killing it when no one expects anything from him.

Edited by Larkmarn on Jul 31st 2019 at 10:15:57 AM

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TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#286229: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:30:10 PM

About at the end. Biden's coming out of this one bruised again. Harris a bit, too. Can probably count Castro as a winner.

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#286230: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:31:01 PM

Oh crap, I completely forgot there was a second debate.

Ugh, damn this candidate pool.

i'm tired, my friend
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#286231: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:33:12 PM

Booker performed well. Biden and Harris performed poorly. de Blasio was kind of dumb here.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#286232: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:33:51 PM

Y'know, I used to think that this primary would be a clown car (case in point, Williamson - though I still think Gabbard is worse). Now I'm not so sure, because even people like Yang and Williamson are managing to say intelligent things when they manage to differentiate their mouths from their asses. Is it possible that the primary will turn out to be a healthy one that actually builds up the winner?

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#286233: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:35:20 PM

I think Booker, Gillibrand, Yang, and Inslee did well. As did Bill De Blasio.

Biden and Harris were mediocre.

Gabbard was there I guess.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
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The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#286234: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:35:27 PM

as the 3rd round has stricter polling requirements.

Hopefully those requirements involve "not being an anti-vaxxer".

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#286235: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:36:41 PM

[up]Nope. Sadly.

Also, I want to say something about electability: In 2012, the Republicans went for the most "electable" candidate they could get. Obama promptly turned him into the Etch-a-Sketch meme because he had absolutely no principles and couldn't bring anything to the table.

I wouldn't want to see Trump turn that on Biden. Trump is no Obama, but he does know how to work a crowd and build memes.

Edited by Ramidel on Jul 31st 2019 at 6:40:36 AM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#286236: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:47:09 PM

Joe Biden: math failer.

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#286237: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:51:35 PM

Funny flub: Biden mentioned his text-to number in the context that he'd plug his website.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#286238: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:54:04 PM

Booker did very well for himself, Castro did pretty okay. Yang outperformed my expectations after last time.

Gabbard got in some solid hits against Harris, and Inslee did very well on climate change, but outside those two topics they were not all that notable.

De Blasio was...De Blasio.

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris probably lost, they both stumbled at times and took heat from many of the other candidates.

Though, what Biden said to Harris at the beginning that was hard to hear was "Go easy on me, kid." Which is...super duper yikes. She's a grown woman, Biden, and being patronizing to a woman of color like that is just...

Also, at the end of both nights I can say that LGBTQ Americans were barely referenced, and the struggles and attacks that have been happening went unmentioned. I guess, to borrow M84's brilliant phrase, I'm disgusted but not surprised.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jul 31st 2019 at 10:57:44 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#286239: Jul 31st 2019 at 7:59:42 PM

I kind of expected Biden to do worse tbh, given how he's the main candidate to beat.

Not too surprised that Harris wasn't too great when it was her turn to play defense.

I'm kind of wishing that Gillibrand and Castro had better chances.

Edited by M84 on Jul 31st 2019 at 11:01:27 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#286240: Jul 31st 2019 at 8:00:21 PM

Someone on CNN the real winner of tonight was Warren, for coming out looking strongest of the Top Four.

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#286241: Jul 31st 2019 at 8:14:58 PM

Judging from the polls it seems like Warren is now solidly in third place after Biden and Sanders. Unfortunately Biden still seems to have a sizable lead over everyone else.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#286242: Jul 31st 2019 at 8:17:15 PM

Polls won't take tonight and yesterday into account for a few days.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#286243: Jul 31st 2019 at 8:17:29 PM

She might not be excelling as much as I'd like but she plays defense pretty well and has no major stumbles like the others.

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#286244: Jul 31st 2019 at 8:23:09 PM

Also, this was a minor thing, but I appreciated that after yesterday's showing of Steve Bullock discussing and supporting a nuclear first strike policy, that Gabbard took the time to explain just how apocalyptic nuclear war would be. I'm still not supporting her, and will not if at all possible, but was pleasantly surprised all the same.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
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#286245: Jul 31st 2019 at 10:33:00 PM

Warren took third place a while ago, right now she’s been in a fierce fifths for second, according to polling averages Bernie, Warren and Harris are all very close, with Bernie and Warren being a tiny bit ahead of Harris.

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#286246: Jul 31st 2019 at 11:48:41 PM

Back in 2015 Jeb Bush led initial polls for the republican nomination. We all know how THAT ended.

Also while I don't like Gabbard she was dead on about Harris. https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article233375207.html

They're doing new dna testing on that particular case. If it comes out clearing the guy Kamela's fucked.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#286247: Jul 31st 2019 at 11:57:45 PM

[up]People really need to stop pointing at the 2016 election as an excuse to ignore polls.

Edited by M84 on Aug 1st 2019 at 2:58:03 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#286248: Jul 31st 2019 at 11:59:22 PM

Just because Biden's leading NOW Doesn't mean he'll lead when the time comes. He's a centrist white man pushing the strategy that has failed to work for 30 years. He has no real chance of victory

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#286249: Aug 1st 2019 at 12:05:23 AM

[up]Except for the most part early polls are fairly reliable indicators of how things will turn out. 538 has done a piece on this.

Edited by M84 on Aug 2nd 2019 at 3:06:05 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#286250: Aug 1st 2019 at 12:07:27 AM

[up][up]What's different now is people are so desperate to get rid of Trump they're willing to settle for just that as long as it's believed he can beat him.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 1st 2019 at 3:08:21 PM

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