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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#286001: Jul 30th 2019 at 10:43:43 AM

[up]

How old is Booker? Because I was under the impression that he's still in his 40s.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#286003: Jul 30th 2019 at 10:48:43 AM

So, tonight's the debates. I'm hoping that Bernie and Warren team up to wreck the non-entities that refuse to drop out, the race really needs far less chaff.

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#286004: Jul 30th 2019 at 12:23:02 PM

I'm dying to hear what gems Williamson has got in store for everyone this time. Will she top the call to New Zealand? Seriously though, looking forward to the September debate much more, with 10 candidates max, since that's when things start to get serious and heat up.

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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#286005: Jul 30th 2019 at 12:35:06 PM

Baltimore has some really crappy parts and Trump is more then happy to say something true if it knocks a political opponent. That or you are going to tell me with a straight face that Baltimore is wholly a nice city.

True, but what’s going unmentioned in a lot of places is that portions of Baltimore only makes up part of Cummings' district, as he also represents some very upscale suburbs surrounding Baltimore where the average income is about $110,000, at least as per some 2014 figures cited on Wikipedia.

Of course for those paying attention and with a good memory, this will seem very similar to Trump’s attack on John Lewis and his district, something Trump did not long after taking office. Much like Cummings, Trump ignored the fact that Lewis has a huge district, (covering most of Atlanta) with an enormous variety of neighborhoods in various conditions.

Cause in Trumps mind, black rep = majority black district = poor & high crime. Facts, as always, are incidental at best.

And I believe fruitpork probably has Booker confused with someone else. Pretty sure Booker was a teenager in the 80s and wasn’t at the forefront with King and the Civil Rights movement in the 50s and 60s.

Edited by TheWanderer on Jul 30th 2019 at 3:37:18 PM

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Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#286006: Jul 30th 2019 at 12:48:32 PM

I agree, but there seems to be this thing where if Trump said cancer was bad, Democrats would suddenly be fans of cancer.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#286007: Jul 30th 2019 at 12:49:58 PM

What you're describing is how Republicans were towards Barrack and Michelle Obama. While there probably are some people who are contrarian and would just like/dislike whatever Trump does/doesn't on principle, that's not the main thing going on here.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#286008: Jul 30th 2019 at 12:52:39 PM

You've lost me with the cancer analogy,because it sucks

Simple put,it makes no sense,why would the democrats suddenly be fans of cancer if Trump condemned it?The implication that they're only opposing Trump to be contrary is ridiculous

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#286009: Jul 30th 2019 at 12:52:45 PM

[up][up][up]Bullshit. The Democrats have voted with Trump on commonsense shit, like the 9/11 compensation bill that just passed. Their opposition to him is purely rational.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Jul 30th 2019 at 4:52:55 PM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#286010: Jul 30th 2019 at 12:54:13 PM

Not true. There's been a number of times Trump announced something - criminal justice reform, a promise to protect Dreamers, infrastructure, spending bills - that Democratic leadership has praised publicly.

That he usually goes back on those announcements is probably why the general party membership is never enthusiastic about them, but that's still far from praising cancer.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#286011: Jul 30th 2019 at 12:57:50 PM

So essentially, Trump wants praise for his Stopped Clock-Moments.

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#286012: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:01:50 PM

One of the key differences between Democrats and Republicans, at least in our current climate, is that Democrats do not adopt the position that anything Republicans want is evil or wrong on its face. They are willing to work with their opposition to accomplish goals that are mutually agreed upon, almost as if that's how our democracy is supposed to function.

The major shift in U.S. politics, starting in the mid-1990s with the Clinton presidency, has been the Republican Party taking a position of vehement opposition to all things Democrats want, regardless of their merit. This corresponds with the political messaging that Democrats are "socialists", "liberals", "atheists", or whatever the pejorative of the day is, with that messaging used in a very intentional way to isolate and separate the GOP voting base. The right is always "under attack" from the left.

It is reflected in the fact that there is a news network that exclusively broadcasts Republican propaganda, with additional radio, TV, and Internet media that exclusively plays to Republican ideology. It's all part of a pattern: "frighten the voters and isolate them so they believe only what we tell them."

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 30th 2019 at 4:06:42 AM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#286013: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:03:06 PM

Also, it was like just a week ago Trump was telling women of color to leave the country because they "hated America" by their criticisms of his policies.

Trump attacks an American city that was there when the country was born and Republicans don't rail against him for not loving America.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#286014: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:06:21 PM

@Soban

That analogy isn't apt, as Democrats have cheered Trump before and, as I mentioned on a previous page, the issue here is less what is being said (Baltimore having myriad issues) as why it's being said.

To reiterate, when Sanders criticized Baltimore, it was from a position of "The people here need our help" - when Trump did so, it was from the position of "This guy has no right to talk about me with his District like this! Hell, he's probably skimming from the till!"

And yes, that last bit is just a light paraphrasing: Why is so much money sent to the Elijah Cummings district when it is considered the worst run and most dangerous anywhere in the United States. No human being would want to live there. Where is all this money going? How much is stolen? Investigate this corrupt mess immediately!

That's the tweet verbatim - can you see the issue now?

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#286015: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:10:43 PM

Just as a reminder that the ACA/Obamacare originally was a Heritage Foundation's (conservative think tank) idea for universal healthcare in order to counter Hillary's idea when she was still First-Lady and was used as a basis for Massachusetts healthcare when Romney was governor, and Obama brought it on because he thought Republicans would be fine with it.

And look where that turned out.

Edited by tclittle on Jul 30th 2019 at 3:12:22 AM

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#286016: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:29:09 PM

People just have to accept that we're in a real life Black-and-White Morality situation, or at the very least Black and a very light shade of Gray, with the Republicans being the Black (ironically). No amount of bothsiderism is going to change that. Democrats are willing to compromise and accept good ideas from the Republicans, Republicans would deny their own platforms and policies if they were presented by Democrats.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#286017: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:46:59 PM

I wouldn't go as far and call the Democrats white. They have their own share of issues, and not too few.

But yeah, it's pretty clear which party is the better one.

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#286018: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:48:55 PM

@Fighteer: True. When Obama wanted to launch missiles at Syria, 37 percent of democrats and 22 percent of republicans agreed. When Trump did, the same 37 percent, including me, supported it, but now 86 percent of republicans were behind the president.

Edited by Grafite on Jul 30th 2019 at 10:05:54 AM

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#286019: Jul 30th 2019 at 1:53:56 PM

Put another way, Democrats cheer when a politician does things they perceive as good and boos when a politician does things they perceive as bad.

Republicans cheer when Republicans do things, and boo when Democrats do things.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#286020: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:06:39 PM

When climate change became difficult to continue denying, the Republicans just changed tactics to, yes it's happening, and not only that but it's good that it's happening, we're now going to start cheering for it as karmic justice on the supposedly ungrateful younger generations, because doing anything to oppose climate change is exclusively for Democrats. That's how stubborn they are.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 30th 2019 at 5:11:37 AM

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#286021: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:19:18 PM

I agree, but there seems to be this thing where if Trump said cancer was bad, Democrats would suddenly be fans of cancer.

Do you have any examples of important democrats turning against proposals because Trump came out in support of them? Because I’m aware of zero instances and I feel like our conversations here should be grounded in facts rather than an emotional dislike of a particular political party.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#286022: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:31:17 PM

When it comes to Trump's rat comments what some people don't seem to understand is that regardless of how many rats there are or aren't that doesn't really matter when it comes to the well-deserved outrage and anger.

Trump was not making a well-considered point about the proliferation of certain kinds of pests in the Baltimore area, he was launching a racially coded attack at innocent people just because they 1) were not white and 2) their rep had the audacity of criticizing Trump's policies and investigating Trump's family.

So no, I don't give a flying fuck how many rats Baltimore does or doesn't have. Trump's attack was vile and a sign of his complete inadequacy as a P Resident and as a human being.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#286023: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:34:19 PM

Is there anyone who doesn't understand Trump is:

  • A racist
  • Openly proud about it

?

I mean all of his defenders have to know they're lying that he meant something not-racist.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 30th 2019 at 2:35:15 AM

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#286024: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:44:48 PM

Embedding this because aside from calling for his impeachment it has the most important part of Muller's testimony,they really need to get this playing everywhere as an attack ad

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 30th 2019 at 9:45:43 AM

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#286025: Jul 30th 2019 at 2:55:19 PM

It's dumb to assume that Democrats oppose most of the things that 45 does or proposes because it's 45. They oppose it because it's wrong.

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