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#285851: Jul 27th 2019 at 7:08:57 AM

Pence is not Spiro Agnew. I don't think I can remember his name coming up at any point during the various scandals as a player in them.

Great. Now I can't think of a headless Pence monster.

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#285852: Jul 27th 2019 at 7:17:32 AM

To be fair, trying to ease tensions by walking up to somebodys face and playing drums is kinda awkward.

While I have nothing but contempt for the students views in general, I think the whole 'Grin at a native american man' thing was kinda overblown.

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#285853: Jul 27th 2019 at 7:20:59 AM

That is simplifying things quite a bit.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#285854: Jul 27th 2019 at 7:22:49 AM

As is the approach that he alone should be blamed for the tension.

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#285855: Jul 27th 2019 at 7:26:55 AM

He certainly was not trying to ease them like he claimed.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#285856: Jul 27th 2019 at 7:47:04 AM

He didn't really do 'anything' period.

He was standing there, while some of his compatriots as well as a bunch of Black Israelites were shouting the racial abuse.

The media kinda singled out the wrong guy, is what I'm saying.

Edited by Forenperser on Jul 27th 2019 at 4:47:34 PM

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#285857: Jul 27th 2019 at 8:10:51 AM

Yeah, with the added information, it comes across more as a nervous grin, similar to the type you'd see in a Boot Camp recruit. Keep in mind he was a teenager, and that's a very weird situation to be in.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jul 27th 2019 at 11:11:27 AM

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#285858: Jul 27th 2019 at 8:37:00 AM

I'm of the personal opinion that a) the kid shouldn't have worn the hat in the first place (it was a School Field Trip, don't Schools usually prohibit this kind of stuff?), b) I don't really blame anyone for anything that happened that day; it was a bunch of various people expressing their political beliefs, no one got hurt or violent, and this basically amounted to a non-story (not fake news), and c) I'm glad that the kid lost his lawsuit.

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#285859: Jul 27th 2019 at 8:37:37 AM

[up]

Private school, if I'm not mistaken - and a lot of the teens were sporting Trump-supporting clothing.

Edit: Yep, a quick look at the Wiki shows that they were in DC for the March for Life, and attended the all-male Covington Catholic High School in Kentucky.

[down]

Might want to read the post I'm referencing for context, namely point A.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jul 27th 2019 at 12:07:22 PM

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#285860: Jul 27th 2019 at 8:46:56 AM

Private school, if I'm not mistaken - and a lot of the teens were sporting Trump-supporting clothing.

Yes? Is that supposed to be a defense? They're all shitheads.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 27th 2019 at 8:52:00 AM

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#285861: Jul 27th 2019 at 8:48:59 AM

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 27th 2019 at 3:50:10 PM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#285862: Jul 27th 2019 at 10:20:34 AM

Five auto manufacturers secretly made a deal with California to strengthen their emission standards.

This flies in the face of Trump lowering those standards nationwide, and apparently is a break from how auto manufactures normally conduct negotiations. Normally all the companies negotiate together, these five went of on their own to talk with the state.

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#285863: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:02:44 PM

That's strange- did they all not want the other companies to know about the negotiations for some reason?

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#285864: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:13:38 PM

More like they didn't want Trump to know they were lowering emissions or dealing with California

Oh really when?
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#285865: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:15:55 PM

Business negotiations always tend secretive,can't risk their competitors getting the drop on them,it's some of that and sticking it to that Orange man in the White House

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#285866: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:21:11 PM

Vox has a very fascinating article about the best path forward for 2020, Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones

The article covers how polls have shown that while some progressive policies are very popular others are not.

For example, changing unauthorized entry into the country from a criminal offense to a civil one is badly unpopular. But giving a means to citizenship for the millions of people in the country is very popular. A Green New Deal and aggressive public option to ensure universal healthcare are both highly popular, but a pure single-payer solution isn't very popular. Opening up public healthcare programs to undocumented immigrants is similarly unpopular. As is paying reparations for slavery.

Abolishing the death penalty is highly unpopular, as is a carbon tax. Adding legally mandated workers representatives to corporate boards is popular, building subsidized housing is not. Free college has mediocre support while providing paid family leave is very popular.

Essentially, the article establishes that unlike idealogues on the internet (i.e us) most people aren't very ideological and don't support things in consistent groups like "moderate" or "progressive" but rather supporting specific issues haphazardly. Beyond being rather interesting it suggests that the optimal strategy would be to support the popular progressive policies while distancing ourselves from the unpopular ones, judging them by a case per case basis instead of automatically deciding the most progressive is the best.

We need a landslide to seize the necessary amounts of power to implement the electoral reform that is crucial to making the system less tilted against us and that is best done by focusing on good popular policy while ditching the progressive policy that would just weigh us down.

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#285867: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:25:23 PM

In all honesty, that sounds pretty Captain Obvious there. At least in my opinion.

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#285868: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:27:47 PM

Yeah, to some extent it is. But then again, what the base wants and what the general public wants isn't necessarily the same thing. Hence why the article exists, most of those progressive policies have been supported in the 2019 primary regardless of their popularity.

The article's, and my, argument is that it's better to focus on what's viable because we can't pass everything.

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#285869: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:30:14 PM

Make a million promises (because people eat up good ideas if you promise enough of then) and keep one (let's be realistic,you can't delivor everything,but you have to delivor something)

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#285870: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:31:30 PM

If you make a million promises, people are going to expect you keep a million promises. They aren't going to let it slide just because you made good on one of them.

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#285871: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:33:23 PM

It’s worth noting however that most people don’t vote based on policy, voters tend to go on candidate likability, broad ideas and identity a lot more than specific policy proposals.

That’s before we consider that people don’t always understand policy, a popular policy could result in a negative reaction because it impacts people in a way they didn’t expect, an unpopular policy could get a positive reaction because it makes people better off in a way they didn’t expect.

I’m not sure that policy should be determined by popularity above all else, it has to be factored in but I’d rather the driving factor be if a policy will help people rather than if it’s popular with people.

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#285872: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:35:28 PM

> If you make a million promises, people are going to expect you keep a million promises. They aren't going to let it slide just because you made good on one of them.

Right,that something has to be big enough that it overshadows everything else,something like I dunno

Universal healthcare!

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#285873: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:35:47 PM

Thing is, in order to get a policy done you first need to get elected.

Thus, popularity>usefulness. Once you are elected it's time to get the policies done.

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#285874: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:38:46 PM

Yeah, the problem with doing things based solely on trying to appeal to as many people as possible is that you sometimes will end up screwing people over to do it.

For instance, dropping support for illegal immigrants to get subsidized healthcare is a morally abhorrent thing to do, regardless if its popular or not.

Things like NIMBY attitudes might be popular, but that does not mean we should cater to them.

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#285875: Jul 27th 2019 at 12:40:56 PM

There's no reason you can't appeal to the popular progressive policies to get elected and work on the unpopular ones once you're in office.

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