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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Nah, that's actually not so. The steps for a nuclear option are:
- Push the vote to the point where someone has to begin a talking filibuster.
- Raise a point of order against the person talking. The presiding officer will dismiss it because it's not against the rules to talk-filibuster.
- Use your majority to override the presiding officer and declare the point of order valid, thus shutting up the talking person.
None of this is new but it's a nice discussion about how Trump's racism is the heart of his appeal and attempts to hide it are now completely hollow.
So it's a fight between the heart of the country's past with its future.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.At best, any “mainstream” media is run by the white moderatesTM, and I think there’s not more that needs to be said about them that hasn’t been said here already.
Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jul 20th 2019 at 7:07:07 AM
My musician pageThe idea that criticizing the Democrats is leaning into White Moderation versus outrage at not doing more against Trump is....well it reads like the GOP wrote it.
You can be genuinely disgusted at your "own side" for not doing more.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 20th 2019 at 4:15:30 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.![]()
The people railing against Dems for not doing more are decidedly not moderate, but to straight up say that "they don't represent their voters" is absolute horseshit.
Between this and that awful NBC article that was posted in the race thread (I think, they kinda blend together lately), it honestly feels like the mainstream media is dying to give us four more years of Trump.
Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jul 20th 2019 at 7:28:29 AM
i'm tired, my friendAdmittedly, I’ve been a bit cross with the “left-leaning media” since seeing this
note earlier this week, though to be fair, the problem doesn’t seem to extend past this one writer within NPR.
Trump has gone after every group that Pence would go after. People keep saying that a religious fanatic in office would be terrible (and would be) but we know what Pence running a government was like. We had Indiana under his Governorship.
And it was bad.
But Trump is his own thing that makes me fear for everyone much much worse.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Pence is a lesser evil to Trump. To put it one way, Pence might nuke somebody, but Trump would nuke somebody and hit the wrong nation.
Leviticus 19:34Two things that inform my opinion:
- I believe that the President after Trump is going to have to to spend a good chunk of time cleaning up Trump's mess- simply as a matter of getting the government into usable condition again. So at this point, if Pence took over, clean up duty would probably be the only thing he can reasonably do before the election.
- A Pence that's tarnished by association with Trump, but doesn't have his cult of personality, and spent time in the White House not accomplishing anything particularly visible is gonna be easier for the Dem nominee to beat than Trump would be.
So, yes, I believe Pence is the lesser of two evils.
Edited by Gilphon on Jul 21st 2019 at 3:22:27 PM
The Atlantic is quintessentially a white moderate publication. They flitted with being center-left when they had Ta-Nehisi Coates write some articles for them, but the publication on the whole is infuriatingly centrist.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."One issue I have with their articles is that they read more like op-eds in other publications.
An op-ed makes for an interesting read sometimes, but I wouldn't use it as an actual source or something.
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Like, I'd wager that the LGBTQ military ban wasn't something Trump came up with on his own.
Edited by M84 on Jul 21st 2019 at 10:21:43 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised

The real problem with removing the filibuster is that any policy attempting to do so would be filibustered hard.
Leviticus 19:34