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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#285276: Jul 18th 2019 at 2:36:53 PM

The real problem is that the requirements for a filibuster has been weakened over time, making it much easier to use and effectively strengthening the minority party to the point where they can require a 3/5ths vote (to end the filibuster) instead of a simple majority vote (to pass the motion on the floor) on any damn thing they want.

Originally, the filibuster was different from the current set up in two important ways. One, the filibuster required the person filibustering to actually hold the floor (ie, be standing up and talking). Two, a filibuster halted all other business until it concluded one way or another. So if someone is filibustering something, then nothing can get done until they either stop or the chamber votes to shut them up.

This made the filibuster a very powerful but inherently time-limited tactic. By halting all business, the political pressure (on both sides) of a filibuster was considerably higher. But it it was also limited by the physical stamina of the person (or people) doing it. If it's just one crank, then they can stand there until they literally collapse, and as they're being taken to the hospital the Senate will be moving on to new business, and at most they've delayed things by a day or so. If it's 50 people, they can take turns talking for a half-hour each and easily delay proceedings indefinitely.

Going back to that system would prevent rank obstructionism on the part of the minority party from stopping any attempt by the majority party to accomplish anything, but would still allow for Senators to block individual bills that they felt particularly strongly about. It would return the filibuster from a de-facto "60 votes or no go" on every single thing to an extraordinary step for extraordinary circumstances.

I'm fine with that.

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#285277: Jul 18th 2019 at 2:40:13 PM

Remember that filibusters don’t actually require a filibuster currently, just threatening to speak continuously is enough to block a bill. So there is a middle path of changing the rules so that an actual honest to god spoken filibuster is required to block a bill.

Speaking of the senate, 538 have got the new numbers on senator popularity and it’s good for the Dems, Collins has joined the Turtle in having a negative in-state approval rating, making her that bit more at risk come 2020.

Edit: [nja]

Edited by Silasw on Jul 18th 2019 at 9:42:14 AM

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#285279: Jul 18th 2019 at 4:20:36 PM

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Yeah, that requirement seems like a good middle ground, to me. If a filibuster is invoked, then those involved in the filibuster must speak on the topic - none of that BS where someone starts reading from the Bible to pad for time.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#285280: Jul 18th 2019 at 4:35:03 PM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/07/18/day-910/

    Day 910: Imminent danger 
1/ The FBI believed that then-candidate Trump was closely involved in the plan to the hide hush-money payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen Mc Dougal, according to previously redacted federal search warrants made public following the conclusion of the probe into Michael Cohen's campaign finance crimes. The documents describe a "series of calls, text messages, and emails" between Cohen, Trump, Hope Hicks, Keith Davidson – an attorney for Daniels – Dylan Howard – the National Enquirer editor – and David Pecker, an executive of the company that published the National Enquirer. It's the first time that the authorities have identified Trump by name regarding his alleged involvement in the scheme. Authorities previously referred to Trump in court filings as "Individual 1." Last August, Cohen admitted to making $280,000 in illegal payments through a shell company to buy the silence of Daniels and Mc Dougal. In April 2018, Trump claimed that he didn't know anything about the hush money payment to Daniels. (NBC News / The Guardian / Washington Post / Reuters / CNN / Daily Beast / Wall Street Journal)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cohen-idUSKCN1UD18D

Federal prosecutors signaled that it's unlikely they would file additional charges in the hush-money investigation, saying they had "effectively concluded" their inquiry. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/nyregion/michael-cohen-trump-investigation.html

2/ Trump continued his racist call for a congresswoman to "go back" to Somalia during a campaign rally last night while the crowd chanted "send her back." Rep. Ilhan Omar is a U.S. citizen and Somalian refugee, and is one of four congresswomen of color Trump attacked on Twitter over the weekend, telling them to "go back" to their countries. The other three were born in the United States. "If they don't love it," Trump told the crowd, "tell them to leave it." Trump paused to allow the "send her back" chant and did nothing to discourage the crowd. The Equal Opportunity Employment Commission includes "Go back to where you came from" as one of its examples of potentially unlawful harassment based on national origin. Trump spent more time during the rally attacking Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, and Ayanna Pressley than he did discussing his 2020 presidential campaign. (Politico / NBC News / Reuters / Buzz Feed News / New York Times)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-idUSKCN1UC2PW

House Democrats warned that Omar's "life is in imminent danger" following the chants to "send her back." Senior Democrats are now calling for authorities to evaluate security for Omar, as well as the three other lawmakers Trump has recently attacked. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/18/ilhan-omar-trump-rally-violence-1419338

Trump claimed he was "not happy" with the "send her back" chant that broke out during his re-election rally. Trump argued that he tried to cut off the chant by "speaking very quickly," which is contradicted by video of the event. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/us/politics/ilhan-omar-donald-trump.html

The chairman of House Republicans' campaign arm said "there's no place for that kind of talk," referring to the "send her back!" chant. Representative Tom Emmer, however, also claimed that "there's not a racist bone in the president's body." (Politico / Washington Post / New York Times)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/18/tom-emmer-send-her-back-trump-rally-1419210

3/ Iran seized a foreign oil tanker carrying 1 million liters of "smuggled fuel" near a small island in the Strait of Hormuz, according to Iranian state TV. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps ambushed the tanker, which appears to be a United Arab Emirates-based tanker that disappeared off trackers in Iranian territorial waters over the weekend. (CNN / Associated Press / CNBC)

https://apnews.com/2d94f2b673b74940b26db541e9eeb262

4/ The Navy "destroyed" an Iranian drone that came within 1,000 yards of the U.S.S. Boxer and ignored "multiple calls to stand down" hours after Iran's Revolutionary Guard seized a foreign tanker it accused of smuggling oil. Trump said the drone was "threatening the safety of the ship and the ship's crew" in the Strait of Hormuz and was "immediately destroyed."Four weeks ago, Iran shot down a U.S. surveillance drone flying over international airspace the same area. (New York Times / CNN / NBC News / Reuters / CNBC / The Guardian / Politico)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran-tanker/trump-says-u-s-navy-destroyed-iranian-drone-in-gulf-idUSKCN1UD1XS

The Trump administration is preparing to send hundred of troops to Saudi Arabia as a show of force against Iran. Five hundred troops are expected to be deployed to the Prince Sultan Air Base east of Riyadh. A small number of troops are already on site at the base to begin initial preparations for the deployment of a Patriot missile defense battery, as well as runway and airfield improvements. (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/politics/us-military-buildup-saudi-air-base-satellite-images/index.html

poll/ Two-thirds of Americans support statehood for Puerto Rico. 66% of respondents said they support adding Puerto Rico as the 51st state, which is consistent with polling dating back to the 1960s. Support is highest among Democrats, young voters, and non-white voters. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/18/puerto-rico-statehood-poll-1419203

    Notables 
Trump asked for information about the Pentagon's cloud-computing contract that will likely be awarded to either Amazon or Microsoft. Republican lawmakers have pressured the White House to intervene in the project, and one person familiar with the process said that it sounded as if Trump was thinking about canceling the contract, worth as much as $10 billion over ten years. "I never had something where more people are complaining," Trump said. "We're getting tremendous complaints from other companies." (Bloomberg / CNBC)

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/trump-says-seriously-looking-into-amazons-pentagon-contract.html

The Pentagon authorized an additional deployment of 1,100 active-duty troops and 1,000 Texas National Guard soldiers to the U.S.-Mexico border. They will join some 2,500 active-duty and 2,000 National Guard troops already there, for a force of more than 6,600 at the border. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/17/2-100-more-troops-headed-to-the-us-mexico-border-pentagon-says-1418838

The House voted to block the sale of billions of dollars of arms to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirate, undoing Trump's attempt to use emergency powers to sidestep Congress and push through 22 deals worth more than $8 billion. (Washington Post / New York Times)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/house-votes-to-block-trumps-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia-setting-up-likely-veto/2019/07/17/7f329a9c-a8ce-11e9-9214-246e594de5d5_story.html

William Barr gave $51,000 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee in the months leading up to his Senate confirmation hearings for attorney general. Barr's contributions took place over a 5-month period from October 2018 to February 2019. In the past Barr gave occasionally: once in 2009 and 2011, twice in 2014, once in 2015, and another in 2016. (Quartz)

https://qz.com/1667918/barrs-donations-to-senate-republicans-spiked-before-confirmation/

The Agriculture Department blocked the release of a plan on how to respond to climate change that was finalized in the early days of the Trump administration. Top officials decided not to release the multiyear plan that outlined how the department should help agriculture understand, adapt to and minimize the effects of climate change. Instead, staff members were told to keep it for internal use only. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/18/usda-suppresses-climate-change-plan-1598987

The EPA announced that it would not ban a pesticide associated with developmental disabilities and other health problems in children, claiming that the science was unsettled. The Obama administration banned chlorpyrifos in 2015 after scientific studies produced by the EPA showed the pesticide had the potential to damage brain development in children. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/climate/epa-chlorpyrifos-pesticide-ban.html

The House passed a bill to gradually increase the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2025. The federal minimum wage has not been raised since 2009. The measure is not expected to advanced in the GOP-led Senate. (CNN / NBC News / Washington Post / New York Times)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/18/politics/minimum-wage-house-vote/

Trump directed his administration to have rapper A$AP Rocky freed from custody in Sweden after Kim Kardashian West contacted Jared Kushner. Rocky turned himself into Swedish police after he was wanted for questioning about a street fight in Stockholm. (TMZ / Axios)

https://www.axios.com/kim-kardashian-asap-rocky-sweden-detention-trump-c1f6a29c-b531-4f29-80e4-692114d5072a.html

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Brightness
#285281: Jul 18th 2019 at 5:41:14 PM

Second debate lineup:

  • Tues, July 30: Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, Klobuchar, Williamson, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Ryan, Bullock.
  • Wed, July 31: Biden, Harris, Castro, Yang, Booker, Inslee, Gillibrand, Gabbard, Bennet, De Blasio

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#285282: Jul 18th 2019 at 5:41:52 PM

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Damn - I was hoping for Warren on-stage with Biden so she could run circles around him on policy.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#285283: Jul 18th 2019 at 5:48:31 PM

Somewhat awkwardly all the non-white candidates are on the second night, but the drawing was fair, so statistics gonna statistics.

If I'm not mistaken, four of the candidates on night 1 (Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, and O'Rourke) are already qualified for the third debate; whereas I think Biden and Harris are the only two on the second night who presently qualify.

Edited by TheAirman on Jul 18th 2019 at 7:51:21 AM

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#285284: Jul 18th 2019 at 5:52:24 PM

Dammit. This is my second worst case scenario; didn’t want Bernie and Warren on the same night. Hooo boy. And I wanted a chance for Warren to sink her teeth into Biden, dammit.

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#285285: Jul 18th 2019 at 6:15:51 PM

They couldn't miss the ratings opportunity from giving Biden and Harris a rematch.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#285286: Jul 18th 2019 at 6:19:15 PM

Barring a total collapse of either campaign (unlikely but possible), Biden and Warren will get a chance at debating each other in the 3rd round.

What's really crazy is that those who are polling at 2% are still wasting space on the floor.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#285287: Jul 18th 2019 at 6:59:08 PM

Being limited to speaking continuously never stopped the filibuster from opposing progress and backing Reaction.

I'd much prefer if it just gets removed.

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#285288: Jul 18th 2019 at 7:55:32 PM

Bernie's unionized campaign staff are fighting to with management to get the $15 an hour wage espoused by Bernie for his campaign.

It's a Twitter link because Washington Post has a paywall.

Edited by tclittle on Jul 18th 2019 at 9:55:43 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#285289: Jul 18th 2019 at 7:59:11 PM

[up]I guess Sanders has a chance to literally put his money where his mouth is.

Maybe he could sell one of his extra houses or something to help pay them.

Edited by M84 on Jul 18th 2019 at 10:59:41 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#285290: Jul 18th 2019 at 8:03:57 PM

Bernie's unionized campaign staff are fighting to with management to get the $15 an hour wage espoused by Bernie for his campaign.

And of course the replies are mostly a split between Bernie stans claiming it's a smear and/or shrugging it off because "at least he has a union!'' and far-right fuckheads using this as evidence that any kind of socialism is inherently a nonstarter.

I don't know what I was expecting.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#285291: Jul 18th 2019 at 8:08:38 PM

The gist of it is that while their yearly salary is technically more than $15 an hour, that's assuming they only work 40 hours a week.

The staff is claiming that they are working much more than that each week. Like 60 hours a week.

In short, they're upset about the unpaid overtime and want it to be, well, paid overtime.

The Bernie stans should also be reminded that Warren and Castro's campaigns are also unionized now. So it's not like Sanders is unique in that regard.

Edited by M84 on Jul 18th 2019 at 11:12:13 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
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Oh, bother.
#285293: Jul 18th 2019 at 8:13:44 PM

If they pull this off, I wonder if the other campaign teams' organizers will follow suit. Or push for unionization if they haven't already.

I wouldn't be surprised if the other teams are working a helluva lot more than 40 hours a week too. And a good number of the other candidates' platforms include the $15 minimum wage.

Edited by M84 on Jul 18th 2019 at 11:16:12 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#285294: Jul 18th 2019 at 8:19:39 PM

They couldn't miss the ratings opportunity from giving Biden and Harris a rematch.

The drawing was aired live on CNN. It’s not the match up I would’ve liked, but it’s not a ratings stunt.

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TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#285295: Jul 18th 2019 at 8:31:10 PM

Night 1 sounds boring. Night 2, on the other hand...

It will be interesting to see how Biden and Harris go at it now that she's drawn blood.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#285296: Jul 18th 2019 at 8:33:26 PM

I'll be interested to see if Biden brings up her walkback. When asked about it before he seemed fine with it, but his staff was less forgiving.

Disgusted, but not surprised
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#285297: Jul 18th 2019 at 11:13:54 PM

From Vox: While Trump is firing off his racist tirades, his administration is enacting plutocrat welfare

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#285298: Jul 19th 2019 at 1:14:54 AM

[up]

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you picking his pocket. Hell, give him someone to look down on, and he'll empty out his pockets for you.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#285299: Jul 19th 2019 at 1:26:57 AM

This sums up the GOP ever since the Southern Strategy was launched, right?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#285300: Jul 19th 2019 at 1:27:02 AM

A sobering reminder that people do vote for reasons besides their wallets, and those reasons aren't always good.

Though we should also remember that the really poor and destitute do usually vote their wallet, since it's a matter of life and death for them.

But people who are merely "anxious" while still earning above the median salary and living in a house? Not so much. Those people are the ones who vote not to put more money in their wallets but to make sure the Hispanic family down the street doesn't have enough money to maintain their new car.

Granted, that does work the other way. Plenty of rich liberal leaning people will vote for politicians who propose higher taxes on the wealthy.

Edited by M84 on Jul 19th 2019 at 4:29:22 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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