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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#285176: Jul 17th 2019 at 5:33:08 PM

Rand Paul is a subhuman piece of vaguely sentient effluvia.

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#285177: Jul 17th 2019 at 5:37:09 PM

He's a lolbertarian.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#285178: Jul 17th 2019 at 5:59:58 PM

[up][up]Come now, effluvia is at least the by-product of an important part of the ecosystem.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Jul 17th 2019 at 10:00:35 AM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#285179: Jul 17th 2019 at 6:10:48 PM

As a Republican, my thinking is that they figured that he wanted the progressive women to try to fix their cities' problems instead of the problems of the nation at large. That being said, I'm absolutely sick and fucking tired of Trump trying to pick fights for no reason other than political drama.

The legend has returned.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#285180: Jul 17th 2019 at 6:11:51 PM

[up][up]Touché.

Do not obey in advance.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#285181: Jul 17th 2019 at 6:15:27 PM

[up][up]Trump almost certainly didn't mean the congresswomens' cities when he made those tweets.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 17th 2019 at 7:16:31 AM

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#285182: Jul 17th 2019 at 6:18:54 PM

You can drop the "almost" from that statement. If anyone is rationalizing the tweets in that way, they are delusional.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#285183: Jul 17th 2019 at 6:20:55 PM

[up]x4 Certainly, they have their respective districts, but they were elected to represent those districts on a federal level, which means that the nation at large is still their responsibility. They vote on policies that affect everyone, after all.

But yeah, I don’t think that’s what he meant either.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Jul 17th 2019 at 9:23:05 AM

Oh God! Natural light!
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#285184: Jul 17th 2019 at 6:21:31 PM

Was what he said even shocking? He says racist BS every other tweet.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#285185: Jul 17th 2019 at 6:25:06 PM

Also, as president of the Unites States, their cities and constituents are his cities and constituents too. While I wouldn't put it past Trump to think minority majority urban areas aren't "his people," the fact is they are, and too attack those places for whatever reasons means he's not doing his job to help them.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#285186: Jul 17th 2019 at 6:26:14 PM

Trump literally said "country".

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

He was not insinuating that the four Congresswomen should return to their country of origin; he was explicitly stating it.

Now, to be fair, all four Congresswomen are citizens of a country whose government is a complete and total catastrophe.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 17th 2019 at 7:27:55 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#285188: Jul 17th 2019 at 6:32:35 PM

[up][up] Ah, I see. I was somewhat misinformed as to what his actual comment was, then.

Yeah, not much room for ambiguity there.

Oh God! Natural light!
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#285189: Jul 17th 2019 at 7:11:23 PM

As was I, it seems.

The legend has returned.
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#285190: Jul 17th 2019 at 7:24:41 PM

Earlier today, Trump posted a conspiracy theory about Omar being married to her brother. And at a Trump rally tonight, he continued to bash Omar, and the crowd screamed/chanted “Send her back!”

He is actively trying to get her killed. Jesus Christ.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#285191: Jul 17th 2019 at 7:27:55 PM

There's literally been several conspiracy plans by MAGA obsessed people to kill Congressmen and women (as well as Hillary).

The only saving grace being these people are idiots and usually post their plans on the internet.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#285192: Jul 17th 2019 at 8:05:03 PM

[up][up] Ilhan Omar has been the punching bag, morso than even AOC, for a while now. She's Muslim, she's an immigrant, and she's on the Left. Now Trump is going full "Would someone rid me of this meddlesome Congresswoman"note  at this point. Besides the horrifying racist invective, yeah, this is essentially him goading the crowd until someone attacks.

[up] Unfortunately, as we learned at Christchurch the internet isn't always monitored, especially not where the far-Right lurks. We'll have to hope she stays safe.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Jul 17th 2019 at 11:10:11 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#285193: Jul 17th 2019 at 9:58:33 PM

Senator Johnny Isakson (R-GA) is currently recovering from fractured ribs in a DC area hospital after a fall in his apartment.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#285194: Jul 17th 2019 at 10:20:51 PM

I know there are conspiracy theories that Bill Clinton is an illegitimate Rockefeller(his actual biological father was kind of sketchy). Have there been previous presidents who had accusations thrown they were the bastard of some prior politician or something lower? I know the Adams made insulting statements about their rival's parentage, but besides that?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#285195: Jul 17th 2019 at 10:23:32 PM

There is a lot of (blatantly racist) BS floating in regarding the parentage of Obama and/or his daughters.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#285196: Jul 17th 2019 at 10:57:22 PM

Not America, but there's another (less blatantly racist, but still racist) theory that Justin Trudeau is the illegitimate child of Fidel Castro.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#285197: Jul 17th 2019 at 11:39:59 PM

I know there are conspiracy theories that Bill Clinton is an illegitimate Rockefeller(his actual biological father was kind of sketchy).

I never heard of, I don't believe it one bit, but MAN, that is a damn interesting idea.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#285198: Jul 18th 2019 at 2:49:42 AM

Gore Vidal's Burr had Martin Van Buren being Aaron Burr's illegitimate child, but I don't know if that's entirely his invention or it was a theory/rumor prior. I wouldn't put it past John Quincy Adams to say so, the Adams presidents were damn snarky

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#285199: Jul 18th 2019 at 5:16:29 AM

Carried over from the Race thread, there's discussion of "Elecability" among Progressives vs. Moderates in the Democrats:

Living in a very Red State, I think I can provide some insight into this issue better than some people. Bluntly, we do have plenty of Blue Politicians who tend to get elected. My neighboring state is run by Joe Manchin (Democrat) and the D-Senator candidate from last election (Alison Crimes) was defeated in an election to outseat Mitch Mc Connell despite the fact she's very popular while Mitch is hated.

However, Manchin is not beloved by the Left by any stretch of the imagination and with good reason because his "electability" came at the expense of the actual issues that matter.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#285200: Jul 18th 2019 at 5:22:54 AM

[up]The point stands that it's very much an uphill battle for a progressive candidate to win an election in races that heavily lean Red. Though not necessarily impossible.

I'm of the opinion that it's worth trying. If only to make complacent Republicans nervous in their "safe" seats.

Edited by M84 on Jul 18th 2019 at 8:23:16 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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