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#285076: Jul 16th 2019 at 9:07:07 AM

Back from the people of color and sinners that are polluting its pristine white culture.

That's what reactionaries always mean when they talk about "taking the country back".

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#285077: Jul 16th 2019 at 9:59:58 AM

Obama getting elected caused a Villainous Breakdown.

It was like, "This is a joke, right?"

Then they found out their CHILDREN didn't hate him!

What was wrong with them!?

[goes to vomit]

Essentially white supremecists were living like we are now with Trump. Hopefully the backlash will be even more.

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#285078: Jul 16th 2019 at 10:26:06 AM

Re: Trump’s drug use. Finesteride actually has well documented neurological side effects generally characterized as “brain fog” but there are active lawsuits around for users who report more extensive disorder — depression, chronic fatigue, forgetfulness, etc. It wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that his dementia like moments could be a symptom of that. On the other hand, it is just as likely he’s the truest real life representation of Stupid Evil and drug induced neurological symptoms are not a factor, because Propecia’s side effects could just as easily describe Joe Biden’s gaffe prone personality.

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#285079: Jul 16th 2019 at 11:16:44 AM

[up][up]I am completely looking forward to the culture shift once Trump is out of office. I just hope that optimism isn't misguided.

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#285080: Jul 16th 2019 at 11:18:23 AM

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#285081: Jul 16th 2019 at 11:32:44 AM

I wouldn't be that surprised if the GOP deifies Trump in much the same way as they have Reagan, probably by creating a romanticized version of Trump that bears little relation to the real guy. They'll probably cherry-pick a bunch of "inspirational" quotes from his ghost-written books, or make them up outright, to make him seem mariginally more respectable in posterity. A massive cultural shift is only going to happen if he loses re-election quite badly. If he loses re-election or wins it but ends his presidency on an undeniably low note, he'll just get shoved under the rug in much the same way as Dubya was.

Edited by DrDougsh on Jul 16th 2019 at 11:34:46 AM

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#285082: Jul 16th 2019 at 11:42:07 AM

I'm mostly hoping that just some of the kids who would otherwise grow up into the White ModeratesTM of tomorrow realise that there is a good guy and a bad guy here. Admittedly, that is probably a lot to hope for, but as long as there's such a large non-voting population, another Trump may be just around the corner.

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#285083: Jul 16th 2019 at 1:36:57 PM

I wouldn't be that surprised if the GOP deifies Trump in much the same way as they have Reagan, probably by creating a romanticized version of Trump that bears little relation to the real guy. They'll probably cherry-pick a bunch of "inspirational" quotes from his ghost-written books, or make them up outright, to make him seem mariginally more respectable in posterity. A massive cultural shift is only going to happen if he loses re-election quite badly. If he loses re-election or wins it but ends his presidency on an undeniably low note, he'll just get shoved under the rug in much the same way as Dubya was.

I've been anticipating that for years. A lot of the pro-Trump voters aren't so gung-ho about the general Republican party, so one way to retain their votes would be to do exactly that: deify him as the next Reagan.

I 100% expect the next Republican nominee after Trump to run on the "Continuing Trump's great work!" platform. Which will basically just be whatever that Republican nominee already wants, but with lip service paid to the idea that Trump was all about XYZ.

"Trump was passionate about protecting our guns, so I'm going to protect our guns for Trump!"

Cynically, it makes sense to deify Trump, since most of his conservative opponents either converted to Trumpism or ragequit the party.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 16th 2019 at 2:39:52 AM

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#285084: Jul 16th 2019 at 1:42:05 PM

[up] But the only way the deification works is if a) he wins 2020 by a Landslide (even if he wins, he ain't doing it by a landslide like Reagan), and b) nothing bad happens during the Trump Presidency (4 or 8 years); no Recession, no War, no major Terrorist Attack, nothing. We've already had some minor Terrorist attacks perpetrated during his tenure, and we've been flip flopping back and fourth on the Recession and War. Also, they tried to deify Bush Jr, too (though obviously not as hard), and it clearly failed.

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#285085: Jul 16th 2019 at 1:46:57 PM

War weariness and the economy crashing right before his successor was elected really nipped any deification of W in the bud.

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#285086: Jul 16th 2019 at 1:51:26 PM

They'll villify him just like everyone else will once he's gone,but you'll slowly see the extremists clamour for his successor though, I don't think they'll have someone like him take over the party again for long time after

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#285087: Jul 16th 2019 at 1:58:55 PM

Maybe not as visibly vile, but too much right-wing media, young (You Tube) and old (Fox News), are doing their damnedest to make sure that the party's successors will be white supremacist to their core.

Edited by Eschaton on Jul 16th 2019 at 2:00:56 AM

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#285088: Jul 16th 2019 at 2:29:39 PM

So the House is going through a bunch of procedural nonsense over Pelosi calling the President's statements racist.

But oh boy are the rules regarding references to the President (or President-elect, as of Nov. 16, 2016, FOR SOME REASON) in Jefferson's Manual quite telling. Starting on page 187.

One excerpt:

References to racial or other discrimination on the part of the President are not in order. As such, remarks may not refer to the President as: (1) a racist (June 9, 2016, p. l; Nov. 16, 2016, p. l; Mar. 9, 2017, p. l); (2) having made ‘‘racial slurs’’ or ‘‘racial epithets’’ (Jan. 9, 2017, p. l; Mar. 16, 2017, p. l); (3) telling a ‘‘racist lie’’ (Jan. 9, 2017, p. l; Feb. 13, 2017, p. l; Mar. 21, 2017, p. l); (4) a bigot (June 9, 2016, p. l); (5) having made a bigoted or racist statement (June 7, 2016, p. l; June 9, 2016, p. l; Nov. 16, 2016, p. l); (6) having taken a bigoted action (Jan. 30, 2017, p. l); (7) not caring about black people (Sept. 8, 2005, p. 19797); (8) a misogynist (June 9, 2016, p. l); (9) having run a prejudiced campaign (Jan. 12, 2017, p. l).

I also got a chuckle out of that 2005 entry because that has to be due to Kanye.

Edited by Eschaton on Jul 16th 2019 at 2:30:27 AM

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#285089: Jul 16th 2019 at 2:39:05 PM

"Order Mr speaker!Order!" fumed the american equivalent to John Bercow

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#285090: Jul 16th 2019 at 2:41:22 PM

[up][up] You missed a few. Here's the paragraph before and after what you posted. Again, note the dates on some of them:

It is not in order to cast aspersions on the ethical behavior of the Presi-dent, including: (1) alluding to unethical behavior or corruption (June 20, 1996, p. 14829; July 9, 2002, p. 12286; Oct. 29, 2003, pp. 26400–402; Sept. 21, 2016, p. l), such as implying a cause-and-effect relationship between political contributions and his actions as President (May 22, 2001, p. 9028; Sept. 29, 2004, pp. 19976, 19977), including an accusation that the Presi-dent had ‘‘lined the pockets’’ of his ‘‘political cronies’’ and filled ‘‘campaign coffers’’ (Sept. 14, 2005, pp. 20238, 20239); (2) using the Presidency for personal benefit (Jan. 11, 2017, p. l; Feb. 6, 2017, p. l; Mar. 2, 2017, p. l; Apr. 4, 2017, p. l; Apr. 26, 2017, p. l; Apr. 27, 2017, p. l); (3) questioning whether the President can ‘‘live up to the ethical requirements’’ of the office (Jan. 24, 2017, p. l); (4) calling such person ‘‘amoral’’ or lacking in morality (June 3, 2013, p. l; Nov. 16, 2016, p. l).\\

Accusations that the President has committed a crime, or even that the President has done something illegal, are unparliamentary. The following allegations are not in order: (1) ‘‘draft-dodger’’ (Apr. 24, 1996, pp. 8807, 8808; Sept. 30, 1996, p. 26603), unexcused absences from military service (May 5, 2004, pp. 8417, 8418), such as being ‘‘A.W.O.L.’’ (Sept. 22, 2004, p. 18953) or of dereliction of duty as Commander-in-Chief (Oct. 22, 2015, p. l); (2) discussing ‘‘charges’’ leveled at the President or under investiga-tion (Mar. 19, 1998, p. 4094; June 11, 1998, p. 12025; Sept. 21, 2016, p. l), including alluding to ‘‘fund-raising abuses’’ (Mar. 14, 2000, p. 2716), speculating that the Vice President might someday pardon the President for certain charges (Apr. 12, 2000, p. 5419), or invoking a finding of personal liability by a court (May 24, 2016, p. l); (3) ‘‘crook’’ (Mar. 1, 2017, p. l), ‘‘come clean’’ (Sept. 21, 2016, p. l), or ‘‘fess up’’ (Feb. 6, 2017, p. l); (4) suggesting censure or impeachment (Feb. 2, 2017, p. l; Feb. 7, 2017, p. l; Mar. 29, 2017, p. l; May 17, 2017, p. l, p. l; May 25, 2017, p. l); (5) discussing alleged criminal conduct (Sept. 10, 1998, p. 19976; Feb. 15, 2017, p. l; Mar. 29, 2017, p. l); (6) obstruction of justice (May 17, 2017, p. l, p. l; May 18, 2017, p. l); (7) accusations of ‘‘illegal’’ activity or actions taken with the knowledge that they were not in accordance with the law (June 20, 2006, p. 11935; Jan. 31, 2012, p. l; Nov. 20, 2014, p. l; Dec. 1, 2014, p. l; Jan. 13, 2015, p. l, p. l; Jan. 14, 2015, p. l; Feb. 11, 2015, p. l; Feb. 27, 2015, p. l; Mar. 24, 2015, p. l; Feb. 24, 2016, p. l; Mar. 17, 2016, p. l; Apr. 18, 2016, p. l; Apr. 19, 2016, p. l); (8) ‘‘above the law’’ (June 18, 2012, p. l; Jan. 15, 2013, p. l; Jan. 13, 2015, p. l; Feb. 14, 2017, p. l), ‘‘lawless’’ (Aug. 1, 2014, p. l; Nov. 20, 2014, p. l; Dec. 4, 2014, p. l; May 14, 2015, p. l; Jan. 7, 2016, p. l; Apr. 18, 2016, p. l; Apr. 27, 2016, p. l), violating the law (July 29, 2014, p. l; Apr. 27, 2016, p. l), breaking the law (Sept. 9, 2014, p. l, p. l), abusing the law (Feb. 27, 2015, p. l), or assaulting the rule of law (May 16, 2017, p. l); (9) suggesting collusion with a foreign country to violate the integrity of a U.S. election (Mar. 29, 2017, p. l); (10) ‘‘shred-ding’’ (Apr. 19, 2016, p. l), having contempt for (July 17, 2013, p. l; Jan. 11, 2017, p. l), or having disrespect for (Feb. 3, 2014, p. l) the Constitution; (11) ‘‘con man’’ or ‘‘con artist’’ (June 9, 2016, p. l; Nov. 16, 2016, p. l, p. l; Mar. 17, 2017, p. l); (12) alluding to alleged sexual misconduct (May 10, 1994, p. 9697; Feb. 25, 1998, p. 1828; Mar. 5, 1998, p. 2620; May 18, 1998, p. 9418; Jan. 9, 2017, p. l) or labeling such person a sexual predator (Nov. 16, 2016, p. l). \\

References to racial or other discrimination on the part of the President are not in order. As such, remarks may not refer to the President as: (1) a racist (June 9, 2016, p. l; Nov. 16, 2016, p. l; Mar. 9, 2017, p. l); (2) having made ‘‘racial slurs’’ or ‘‘racial epithets’’ (Jan. 9, 2017, p. l; Mar. 16, 2017, p. l); (3) telling a ‘‘racist lie’’ (Jan. 9, 2017, p. l; Feb. 13, 2017, p. l; Mar. 21, 2017, p. l); (4) a bigot (June 9, 2016, p. l); (5) having made a bigoted or racist statement (June 7, 2016, p. l; June 9, 2016, p. l; Nov. 16, 2016, p. l); (6) having taken a bigoted action (Jan. 30, 2017, p. l); (7) not caring about black people (Sept. 8, 2005, p. 19797); (8) a misogynist (June 9, 2016, p. l); (9) having run a prejudiced campaign (Jan. 12, 2017, p. l).

Edited by tclittle on Jul 16th 2019 at 4:44:18 AM

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#285091: Jul 16th 2019 at 2:46:05 PM

Wow, so basically it's a book made to protect the President from any kind of accountability whatsoever.

I really hope Pelosi doesn't walk back her statements. These rules are complete bullshit and need to be broken.

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#285092: Jul 16th 2019 at 2:48:13 PM

[up][up]Are those lines just added on a whim whenever Republicans have control of the house, and if so, are they meaningless whenever the Dems are in control?

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jul 16th 2019 at 5:48:51 AM

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#285093: Jul 16th 2019 at 2:51:05 PM

It's a 1500 page book containing all the rules on how Congress is run, which can be changed with votes.

The fact a most of a single paragraph concern words we have all used to describe Trump was added in after Trump had become the Republican nominee is very noticeable.

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#285094: Jul 16th 2019 at 2:52:00 PM

[up]So the current status of the House is absolutely not beholden to it, right? Or does the Senate have to be brought in to make any changes?

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#285095: Jul 16th 2019 at 2:57:43 PM

Yeah, they can change the rules within, just take a look at several parts of the paragraphs I posted above and you'll note that many of the rules regarding what Representatives can say about the President were added in when Republicans had the House and Trump either had the primary in the bag, was President-elect, or just after his inauguration. I just can;t find a quick source on how much of the House is needed for a rule change.

Also, I was wrong, the Jefferson's Manuel is strictly for the House, but there is a separate one for the Senate.

Edited by tclittle on Jul 16th 2019 at 4:59:31 AM

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#285096: Jul 16th 2019 at 2:58:12 PM

The House still follows the rules, and it can change those rules, but it has to go through the whole rigmarole to do it. (In this case, I think it's a matter of setting new precedent, but I don't really know).

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#285097: Jul 16th 2019 at 3:02:21 PM

My grandma loved what he said, and insisted that “he’s totally not racist”, and that they should “go back to where they came from. (But he’s totally not a disgusting racist.)

Edited by megaeliz on Jul 16th 2019 at 6:04:12 AM

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#285098: Jul 16th 2019 at 3:04:02 PM

So. Legally, you can't say the President is racist on the House floor. Republicans made that a thing during their majority in 2017.

That's amazingly telling.

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#285099: Jul 16th 2019 at 3:39:07 PM

Wow. I'm as pro-American you can expect an European leftist to be, but that law about calling the president racist... It's pure dictatorship in the making. What, will you have to call him "dear leader" soon ?

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#285100: Jul 16th 2019 at 3:45:57 PM

What, will you have to call him "dear leader" soon ?

Meanwhile, President Dump just got the first erection he's had in years and has no idea why.

...I'm sorry for that image.

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