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#285026: Jul 15th 2019 at 11:29:09 AM

House Democrat to move forward on articles of impeachment against Trump

Rep. Al Green (D-Tex.) said Monday that he would move forward in the next two weeks on articles of impeachment against President Trump, saying “the American people are fed up” with his racism and bigotry.

Green, who filed articles of impeachment in 2017 and has threatened for months to try again, said things “came to a boiling point” with Trump’s weekend tweets as well as his handling of the crisis along the southern U.S. border.

Trump tweeted Sunday that a group of minority, liberal congresswomen should “go back” to their home countries. All four are U.S. citizens, and three of them were born in the United States. On Monday, Trump expressed no regrets about the statement when asked by reporters whether he was concerned that many people have called it racist.

“It doesn’t concern me because many people agree with me. And all I’m saying — they want to leave, they can leave,” he said at the White House.

“To tolerate bigotry when you can do something about bigotry is to perpetuate it,” Green said in an interview Monday. “I will not tolerate the level of bigotry emanating from the president, especially in policy.”

The House voted 364 to 58 in December 2017, with Republicans in the majority, on a motion to table Green’s previous impeachment push. Green said Monday that things have changed: “I have had enough. I believe a good many of my colleagues have had enough. We’ll find out how many. And I think the American people are fed up with this behavior . . . This is the only place, by the way, where the president can be checked. There’s no other place.”

Green’s announcement threatens to complicate House Democratic leaders’ plans for July, including the much-anticipated July 24 testimony of former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. While more than 80 House Democrats have called for an impeachment inquiry based on Mueller’s report and other factors, many more have withheld judgment.

Green said his impeachment push stood apart from the efforts to rebuke Trump for his alleged obstruction of justice.

“This is in no way going to impede that investigation. This is separate and apart from that,” the congressman said. “This deals with our original sin — it deals with the hatred and bigotry that has developed through the years for people of color, for members of the LGBTQ community, the trans community, those who are of the Islamic faith, those who are of the Jewish faith. It’s about people who have been marginalized and how we cannot allow the president of the United States to . . . fuel the flame of confusion as it relates to this level of bigotry.”

Democratic leaders could choose to move to table Green’s impeachment resolution, as Republican leaders did in 2017. He said such an outcome would be “greatly disappointing.”

“We have 235 members of the House — we cannot blame Republicans if this did not go forward,” he said, referring to the number of Democrats. “The question is, are we going to stand up to this president and let him know that there are some boundaries in this country when it comes to the bigotry that he seeks to impose.”

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#285027: Jul 15th 2019 at 11:32:21 AM

So what are the chances of this going anywhere?

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#285028: Jul 15th 2019 at 11:34:00 AM

[up]I'm probably the least qualified to speculate on this of all this thread's regular contributors, but I'd say less than the chances of the Russia-related impeachment hearings going forward.

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#285029: Jul 15th 2019 at 11:51:19 AM

Bringing it up and it being defeated still means it was brought up.

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#285030: Jul 15th 2019 at 11:54:23 AM

> So what are the chances of this going anywhere?

It will somewhere no doubt,like it might come very close it won't succeed unless they unite the entire house against Trump.

So the chances:Slim,boarding on 'no chance,depending on which way the wind in Washington in blowing'

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#285031: Jul 15th 2019 at 11:58:09 AM

The House has enough Democrats to impeach. The Senate will not convict. So it's a political stunt with no future. End of conversation.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 15th 2019 at 2:58:47 PM

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#285032: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:08:51 PM

Sure, but political stunts can have a big impact.

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#285033: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:09:17 PM

It's not a political stunt with no future yet. Right now it's another voice to the growing movement demanding a political stunt with no future.

And I say that as someone who actually wants the stunt.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 15th 2019 at 1:11:04 PM

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#285034: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:09:56 PM

Aside from ridicule you mean?

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#285035: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:16:44 PM

It's not a political stunt with no future yet. Right now it's another voice to the growing movement demanding a political stunt with no future.

And I say that as someone who actually wants the stunt.

Bingo, what matters is whether or not more Democrats join the call and push Pelosi to reconsider her position.

And I say this as someone who doesn't want the stunt wink

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#285036: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:17:44 PM

I am not sure what it would take for enough Republican Senators to convict Trump, but I doubt absolute evidence of such an act would ever come up.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Jul 15th 2019 at 4:39:38 PM

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#285037: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:20:22 PM

By the way, grham did side with trump, call those congresis comunist.

Which is kinda hilarious he used a insult so out of touch with today.

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#285038: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:20:33 PM

I can guess what would actually get the republicans to convict: Trump doing something genuinely helpful for minorities. Of course, such a thing will never happen.

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#285039: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:24:51 PM

I am not sure what it would take for enough Republican Senators to convict Trump, but I doubt absolutely evidence of such an act would ever come up.

To be fair, one major argument made by the supporters of impeachment is that impeachment will involve the dirty laundry of Trump and his administration being clearly shown in a very high visible manner and thus when the Republicans inevitably squash it voters will punish them in the election.

It's not an argument I entirely buy but it's not reliant on Republicans impeaching Trump.

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#285040: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:26:11 PM

> I can guess what would actually get the republicans to convict

If Trump was costing them money that would be their motive for getting rid of him

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 15th 2019 at 7:26:28 PM

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#285041: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:42:08 PM

I'm going to paraphrase a comment I saw about impeachment (may have been from here actually): We all know the Republicans will abort impeachment in the Senate. This is a reflection of their character. Regardless of that fact, however, failure to even attempt impeachment is a reflection of Democrats' behavior.

That said, while it would ideally happen sooner than later, so as to prevent as much further damage from being done as possible, it is genuinely worth considering the impact that an impeachment attempt would have on the now active primary. It may be more tactically sound to delay impeachment until the general election, so that the people can make the best and most informed decision possible regarding the Democratic nominee (Warren), who could then go on to thoroughly destroy Trump on the debate stage while he simultaneously has to defend himself from the House.

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#285042: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:47:43 PM

If they seriously move for impeachment it will be a mark against their character as far as I'm concerned.

I have no patience for people pulling political stunts to get messages across and risking falling on your sword.

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#285043: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:48:29 PM

I think this is getting dangerously close to forbidden topic territory.

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#285044: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:53:31 PM

so that the people can make the best and most informed decision possible regarding the Democratic nominee (Warren)

I mean, I hope it's Warren but the jury's still out on that one.

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#285045: Jul 15th 2019 at 1:01:16 PM

Regarding Trumps tweets, when you have Ben Shapiro calling them xenophobic nonsense well...

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#285046: Jul 15th 2019 at 1:17:01 PM

Geraldo Riveria also called him out, though he of course still supports him.

Cheeto is doubling down and showing no signs of stopping.

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#285047: Jul 15th 2019 at 1:17:45 PM

[up]

As if anyone would expect differently at this point. Trump is proof-positive that The Unfettered would be absolutely appalling outside of fiction.

And his argument (if one could even call it that) made me think of Al Franken's line from Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them.

We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jul 15th 2019 at 4:56:18 AM

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#285048: Jul 15th 2019 at 3:19:12 PM

Crossposting from the Wikileaks thread; a CNN report (via security documents and footage) on Assange's use of the Ecuadorian embassy to interfere with the 2016 election.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/assange-embassy-exclusive-documents/index.html

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#285049: Jul 15th 2019 at 4:41:51 PM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/07/15/day-907/

    Day 907: Racist in chief 
1/ Trump told four liberal congresswomen of color to "go back" and "fix" their "broken and crime infested" countries. All four are American citizens and born in the United States, except for one, who became a refugee at age 10 when a civil war devastated Somalia. While he did not mention them by name, Trump's tweets were directed at the members of the so-called "squad," who were elected to Congress in 2018: Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and Ayanna Pressley. Republicans remained largely silent after Trump's attack. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, meanwhile, called the tweets "xenophobic" and accused Trump of reaffirming his plan to make "America white again." (New York Times / Associated Press / Washington Post / Wall Street Journal / Yahoo News / CNN)

https://apnews.com/728ada1e918a482c9e9b1f3e24937caa

2/ Trump denied that his racist tweets were racist, insisting that "If you're not happy here, then you can leave." Earlier, Trump accused the four congresswomen of "spewing" "racist hatred" and that "many people" agree with his view that they "hate our country." (CNN / The Guardian / Buzz Feed News / New York Times / Washington Post)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/donald-trump-racist-tweets-democrats/

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said he doesn't believe Trump's racist tweets were racist. "I understand what the President's comment is," Mnuchin said. " I'm not concerned about the President's comment." (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/treasury-secretary-steven-mnuchin-trump-tweets-reaction/

3/ The four congresswomen condemned Trump's racist tweets, calling them "the agenda of white nationalists" and "a continuation of his racist and xenophobic playbook." During a press conference, Rep. Pressley responded to Trump's comments, saying: "Our squad is big. Our squad includes any person committed to building a more equitable and just world, and that is the work that we want to get back to and given the size of this squad and this great nation, we cannot, we will not be silenced." Trump – again – attacked the four congresswomen in a series of tweets, saying, "IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY HERE, YOU CAN LEAVE." (Washington Post / CNN / CNN / CBS News)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-congresswomen-hold-press-conference-to-address-trumps-racist-tweets-and-made-in-america-comments/

4/ House Democrats are drafting a resolution to condemn Trump's racist tweets. Pelosi said Trump "went beyond his own low standards using disgraceful language" and implored House Republicans to vote with Democrats to condemn Trump's language. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/15/pelosi-announces-resolution-condemning-trump-for-racist-tweets-1415889

5/ Trump's threats of mass ICE raids and deportations failed to materialize on Sunday, marking the second time Trump has threatened large-scale ICE enforcement actions that never came to fruition. ICE would not confirm any arrests. Trump, however, claimed that "The ICE raids were very successful — people came into our country illegally, illegally. Many, many were taken out on Sunday, you just didn't know about it." (NPR / Washington Post / Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/15/trump-ice-raids-1416128

Mike Pence visited two detention facilities in Texas, including a Border Patrol station where hundreds of men were crowded in sweltering cages without cots. Agents wore face masks while Pence described the facility as smelling "horrendous" and called the experience "tough stuff." A group of detained men chanted: "No shower, no shower!" (Chicago Tribune / NBC News / The Guardian / CNN)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-shower-no-shower-migrants-shout-pence-visits-texas-detention-n1029426

6/ The Trump administration moved to end asylum protections for most Central American migrants. The new rule would require asylum-seeking immigrants who pass through a third country on their way to the U.S. to first apply for refugee status in that country rather than at the U.S. border. The rule is expected to go into effect on Tuesday, and would also apply to children who have crossed the border by themselves. The only exceptions are for people who were trafficked, people who pass through a country that isn't a party to one of the major international refugee treaties, and people who sought asylum in a country on the way to the U.S. but were denied. (NPR / Associated Press)

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-central-americans-asylum-protections-20190715-story.html

7/ Trump is considering firing Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross after the attempt to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census failed. Trump has expressed frustration with Ross in the past over failed trade negotiations, but Ross' personal friendship with Trump has saved him. Ross may still be in the clear now that Labor Secretary Alex Acosta resigned last week, but some White House officials expect Ross to be gone as soon as this summer. Trump is reportedly making calls to allies outside the White House and musing about replacing Ross. (CNBC / NBC News)

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/15/trump-weighs-ousting-commerce-chief-wilbur-ross-after-census-defeat.html

8/ At Trump's request, Kellyanne Conway will ignore a House Oversight Committee subpoena and refuse to testify about a government watchdog's findings that she violated the Hatch Act, which bars federal employees from engaging in politics during work. (Washington Post / Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/15/kellyanne-conway-subpoena-oversight-hearing-1416132

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#285050: Jul 15th 2019 at 9:56:59 PM

Puerto Rico is having a series of protests.

The short of it is, public opinion of the Governor apparently had been smoldering since at least Hurricane Maria, but after sexist and homophobic chat logs he participated in were discovered, widespread protests arguing that he should step down have occurred. Police used tear gas, rubber bullets, and pepper spray to break up the latest, and the burning trash bins used as a barrier have resulted in pictures of the capital looking like the city is on fire.

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