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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#285001: Jul 14th 2019 at 3:29:29 PM

[up][up]I think three of the women are US-born to immigrant parents, and one immigrated into the US as a young child.

The male Democrat who criticised Trump's comments is also US-born to immigrant parents but, as he pointed out, he's white so Trump isn't targeting him — or any of the other white, male politicians who are in the same boat as the the four women Trump is targeting.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 14th 2019 at 11:32:55 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#285002: Jul 14th 2019 at 3:31:02 PM

White Supremacists forfeit most of their right to be assumed to argue in good faith.

I say most because maybe some of them can be reached.

But usually it's a choice.

Indeed, though like most political discussions with ideologues what matters is not convincing them but rather convincing the apathetic/uninformed moderates who have yet to be swayed to one side or another.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 14th 2019 at 3:32:21 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#285003: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:53:04 PM

You can said is a "perk" of being in the party of tradicional values: you can count yourselve as tradicional men by virtue on be there.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#285004: Jul 14th 2019 at 9:59:40 PM

Trump's Nationwide Immigration Raids Fail to Materialize – Rumors of mass raids swirled, leading many immigrants to stay inside their homes. Immigrant advocates in several cities took to the streets to demonstrate.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/14/741653581/trumps-nationwide-immigration-raids-fail-to-materialize

The gist seems to be that a lot of immigrants were scared enough to not go out this weekend but few, if any, actual arrests occurred.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 14th 2019 at 11:04:17 AM

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#285005: Jul 14th 2019 at 10:02:25 PM

I heard a lot of attempted arrests were foiled because people refused to allow the ICE to enter their homes or arrest them without a warrant.

Which ICE agents almost never have.

Oh really when?
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#285006: Jul 14th 2019 at 10:13:18 PM

[up][up]The fear is the point... the constant terror that raids could begin at any time. sad

Edited by wisewillow on Jul 14th 2019 at 10:13:25 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#285007: Jul 14th 2019 at 10:15:52 PM

I don't doubt. The whole time I looked at the article I imagined how pleased Trump must be to scare them like that.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#285008: Jul 14th 2019 at 10:19:02 PM

[up]I also imagine how pleased Trump's supporters felt about scaring them like that. Well, maybe not the ones who are immigrants and get caught up in the raids...but fuck'em. If you vote for the Leopards Eating Faces party, you don't get to whine if a leopard tries to eat your face.

Edited by M84 on Jul 15th 2019 at 1:22:12 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#285009: Jul 14th 2019 at 11:48:12 PM

I heard a lot of attempted arrests were foiled because people refused to allow the ICE to enter their homes or arrest them without a warrant.

Which ICE agents almost never have.

I mean, if so, then we have a case of a misleading headline here; it's not that the raid didn't happen, but just that the immigrants were ready for it and knew how to deal with it. The focus shouldn't be 'immigrants were scared', but rather 'ICE is powerless if you know your rights and are ready for them'.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#285010: Jul 15th 2019 at 5:53:20 AM

The good people at FiveThirtyEight.com have written a long piece about sexism in US elections.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#285011: Jul 15th 2019 at 7:45:54 AM

President Trump demands apology from people he racially abused, as Elizabeth Warren takes sizeable poll lead over him for first time

...You what. You want the people who you abused to apologise to you? Pretty sure it's supposed to be the other way around.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
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#285012: Jul 15th 2019 at 7:53:28 AM

Evil Cannot Comprehend Good. I'm pretty sure that's the norm for reality.

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#285013: Jul 15th 2019 at 7:56:54 AM

In 2016, I admittedly mostly wanted Hilary to win so that Trump would have to be denied something he wanted. This time, though, he has to go so anything resembling respectability can be restored to America. As well as providing justice for the victims of his bullying, of course.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jul 15th 2019 at 11:00:08 AM

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#285014: Jul 15th 2019 at 9:28:34 AM

[up][up][up]The Guardian puts another angle on the same story:

Note: Texan Republican Will Hurd has publicly condemned Trump's comments as racist and xenophobic (Haley Byrd, CNN reporter, Twitter link).

Republicans silent as Trump renews racist attack on congresswomen

In the face of international condemnation – but very little comment from his own party – Donald Trump returned to the offensive against four Democratic congresswoman he targeted with racial invective on Sunday.

True to provocative form, the president accused the Democrats of “spewing” “racist hatred” – precisely the offence of which he has been widely accused.

In a tweet early on Monday, the president wrote: “When will the Radical Left Congresswomen apologize to our Country, the people of Israel and even to the Office of the President, for the foul language they have used, and the terrible things they have said. So many people are angry at them [and] their horrible [and] disgusting actions!”

He added: “If Democrats want to unite around the foul language [and] racist hatred spewed from the mouths and actions of these very unpopular [and] unrepresentative Congresswomen, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I can tell you that they have made Israel feel abandoned by the US.”

The tweet reflected others Trump sent late on Sunday amid the storm created by his initial demand that the unnamed congresswomen should “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime[-]infested places from which they came”.

That condemnation has now rippled across the Atlantic – on Monday an official spokesman for the British prime minister, Theresa May, said they were “completely unacceptable”. Boris Johnson, May’s heir apparent who is seen to be close to Trump, was under pressure to pass comment too.

Among Republicans, few spoke up.

Justin Amash, the Michigan congressman who has left the party in protest of the Trump presidency, called the tweets “racist and disgusting”. Amash’s parents are Palestinian and Syrian. Mia Love, who lost her seat in Utah last year and is African American, told CNN: “It has to stop. I always feel like I’m not part of the ‘America First’ that he goes out and he talks about all the time.”

Commentators from the Never Trump wing of the party were swift to condemn the president. Charlie Sykes, an editor at the Bulwark website, wrote: “There was a time when GO Pers like Paul Ryan, Lindsey Graham, Nikki Haley, Jeff Flake, even Reince [Priebus] would have denounced this kind of racism. Who will speak out now? Will any elected Republican push back?”

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 15th 2019 at 5:36:38 PM

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#285015: Jul 15th 2019 at 9:47:28 AM

Republican politicians will say that Trump is sexist and racist once he's lost reelection. They'll probably also claim they knew that all along, too. Going by this guy anyhow.

Otherwise, from that guy's Twitter:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#285016: Jul 15th 2019 at 9:50:00 AM

No surprise, Newt Gingrich actually praised Trump for saying those disgusting things.

5th Avenue, people. "What's the big deal? It was self defense!" "He had it coming!" "The guy who he shot was not as pristine as they'd have you believe..." "He's TOTALLY trolling the media! I love it!"

Edited by speedyboris on Jul 15th 2019 at 11:52:22 AM

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#285017: Jul 15th 2019 at 9:52:41 AM

[up]x2 That's exactly what they did 2 years after Bush Jr's term; they started attacking him as an idiotic warmonger who did nothing right, even though up until he left, they claimed he was a man who could do no wrong and everything he did was justified.

This is a part of that Cultish mentality the Republican Party has been espousing since the 90's. The only question is, if Republicans start bad mouthing Trump if he loses in '20, would the Republican Voters follow this Cult, or remain loyal to their fallen hero? And, would Trump (if he somehow escapes all consequences of his past) running again in '24 (and let's face it, as long as he's alive and free, he will try to pull a Grover Cleveland) cause a collapse of the Republican Party between the Reaganistas and the Trumpeteers?

[up] Not surprised Gingrich praised Trump's attacks; he's the one who really started the Grand Old Cult.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Jul 15th 2019 at 12:54:06 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#285018: Jul 15th 2019 at 10:17:22 AM

Republican politicians will say that Trump is sexist and racist once he's lost reelection. They'll probably also claim they knew that all along, too. Going by this guy anyhow.

That's absolutely correct, thankfully Trump has had enough of an impact on the electorate I don't think that will work. Not to mention that the base won't start disliking Trump so if they too strongly attempt to retroactively repudiate him they'll likely face an attack from that direction.

So hopefully they won't get away with that.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Zornech Since: Mar, 2019
#285019: Jul 15th 2019 at 10:28:20 AM

I am saddened by just how many people are trying to gaslight the public into thinking Trump said they should go back to their "districts and communities". He said countries.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#285020: Jul 15th 2019 at 10:30:58 AM

Lying enablers of racism are gonna lie, thankfully it's fairly transparent and thus is unlikely to be efficacious.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#285021: Jul 15th 2019 at 10:36:29 AM

I have to ask, how does a party sabotage itself as effectively as the GOP has till date? It's worth making notes over.

Trump just might win 2020, but it's a long, long shot from how things are going right about now.

I hold the secrets of the machine.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#285022: Jul 15th 2019 at 10:57:34 AM

Well, John Katko (R-NY) also condemned Trump for the tweets. Though not all that strongly.

"The president’s tweets were wrong,” Katko said in a statement Monday. “I have vehemently criticized lawmakers on the far left when I disagree with the direction in which they want to take the country, but criticism should focus on policy.”

And in more "Fuck You, Got Mine!" news, the Trump administration is codifying a new rule regarding asylum - if you don't request it in countries you pass through, you'll be automatically denied in the US. I can't even imagine how many desperate people will now be attempting to sail to the US on a makeshift boat only to never be heard from again - and be completely invisible because we Never Found the Body.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jul 15th 2019 at 1:59:00 PM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#285023: Jul 15th 2019 at 11:03:33 AM

That doesn't surprise me. The racists keep beating the "you only count as a refugee if you stop in the first safe country which conveniently isn't here" drum.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#285024: Jul 15th 2019 at 11:03:43 AM

[up][up]Hopefully the ACLU can get this fixed.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jul 15th 2019 at 2:03:57 PM

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#285025: Jul 15th 2019 at 11:24:37 AM

Senator Tim Scott (R-SC) condemned Trump's tweets as well, but did it in a Democrats are doing it as well and have a problem with it, and we shouldn't be doing it.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

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