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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
You can't liberate these people without hurting anyone. Otherwise, everyone involved is shot dead and no one is actually liberated.
And literally no one was saying it's "evil" to begin with.
Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jul 14th 2019 at 10:13:23 AM
i'm tired, my friendI disagree because it allows you to figure out what lines and were to cross as well as what are worthy. While storming the place is terrible, you could also surround the building and chain yourself to it or other civil disobedience to make it impossible for them to operate
I think that might be a viable strategy and actively impeding the camps' opertaions may need to be the best strategy now.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I read something recently that argued that, in all of human history, fascism has never been defeated or driven back in any other way than with force, and all the people who think that just passively voting against it will change anything meaningful are just being foolish and naive.
I'm not sure how much I agree with that statement, but it is compelling.
I'm not sure how much I agree with that statement, but it is compelling.
Sounds pretty dumb to me. It's driven back every time you don't vote a fascist into power.
The greatest defense against fascism is not letting it take root and the greatest way to do that is to not advocate violence, militarism, racial superiority, or unlimited government power.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 14th 2019 at 8:01:33 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Yeah, now that I think about it, there have been multiple instances where smaller-scale facism has been defeated soundly non-violently, it's just that once it reaches a certain point, there's not much that the general populace can do to stop it.
Of course, where that certain point is, is also up for debate. Is a fascist as the head of the country too far? Or is that point when voting rights have been suspended or limited to the point where the average person can't influence elections?
I'm not sure how much I agree with that statement, but it is compelling.
The first half is correct but the second half is idiotic, yes Fascism needs to be beaten with force. But politics is built on force, getting a friendly administration elected means that they can deploy legal force to harm fascists. Alongside using social force to deplatform them.
So they're right that fascists are beaten by the application of force but they're idiots for thinking that voting is somehow not how the means to employ force are gained, Antifa punching people has its use but it won't be how the war is won or lost.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangIndeed, the communist and social democratic street fighters in the Weimar Republic didn't stop the Nazis from rising to power. Direct action has its utility but fetishizing it is stupid, frankly, I feel like some of the leftists who engage in that fetishization are doing it as a form of political masturbation instead of serious praxis.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 14th 2019 at 9:04:18 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI'm not convinced that anything could actually be accomplished by any situation that requires civilians to somehow outshoot the military. The guy being taken down pretty fast was the inevitable outcome.
However, out of all the shootings that have transpired in the United States even in just this year alone, a dude trying to liberate a concentration camp isn't even pinging my Outrage Radar in the slightest. I honestly sympathize with him a lot more than I do with Trump's Wehrmacht.
This guy actually tried to do what Second Amendment activists proudly brag about, and the outcome was the exact reason why those activists are morons.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 14th 2019 at 10:31:44 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.If people really wanted force used they could canvas state government's to deploy national guard regiments to liberate the camps, the legal grounds would be that the camps are a violation of the constitution and a crime against humanity, as the camps have shot strait past being detention camps and are now forced labour camps for people not convicted of any crime.
the question is at what point does a camp containing people who've been convicted of no crime become illegal, as soon as it exists? As soon as the people in it are used for forced labour (as is happening at the camp in question)? Or only once the camps are used for mass extermination and genocide?
The camps currently might well be a violated of the 13th amendment, as they are carrying out forced labour, making them slavery for people not duly convicted of a crime.
So should state governments stand back while the federal government rolls back the 13th? If not what should they do? Sue (as is happening)? Engage in civic rebellion (stopping the flow of tax money to Washington)? Or engage in active enforcement of the 13th by force?
Speaking of all this, Warren has promised an investigation into the camps if she becomes president, stating that while people, might be protected while Trump is in power it won't last.
Edit:
Oh and Trump has told AOC and Rep Omar to "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came".
Edited by Silasw on Jul 14th 2019 at 4:36:57 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
See, that is never going to happen either. The National Guard attacking Federal agencies would be put down as a domestic insurrection. Summoning the National Guard to start shooting at Federal Law Enforcement is all but open rebellion. No state wants to be the one to start something like that.
No, when it comes to a "Lawful or Good" quandary, most Governments tend to pick Lawful. Good will have to come from other avenues I'm afraid. As nice as it is to imagine, there is no cavalry on the horizon.
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer"I feel like some of the leftists who engage in that fetishization are doing it as a form of political masturbation instead of serious praxis."
Yeah the left does have sometimes a fetichization with violence in a "resolve things NOW!" the same happen here in venezuela at times.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Because what they are doing is illegal.
We are living in a time of constitutional crisis.
Arrested by who? There is no authority above federal in our country.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Indeed, the communist and social democratic street fighters in the Weimar Republic didn't stop the Nazis from rising to power.
The Nazis rose to power because the social democrats chose to actively support the Nazis, out of opposition to the communists. When the centrists and the 'moderate' left choose to fight against the radial left, the right wing is the only side that benefits.
We can disagree on the legitimacy of violence, but I think the one person who attacked a concentration camp is in a far better moral position than the vast numbers of people who are doing nothing about concentration camps, and the most famous pacifists in history would agree. Both Martin Luther King and Gandhi said that, notwithstanding their opposition to violence, violent action in support of justice was superior to inaction, while non-violent resistance (which is something much larger and more extensive than merely supporting a political party) was superior to both.
Edited by Galadriel on Jul 14th 2019 at 1:57:56 PM

The only realistic way to put an end to these atrocities is to get the people who sign off on these things out of power. Which means out-voting the people in the USA who approve of this shit.
Edited by M84 on Jul 14th 2019 at 10:13:09 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised