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#284901: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:08:31 AM

Well, the guy that attacked the detention center was allegedly an anarchist and/or antifascist, who the person describing him as such believed wanted to commit Suicide by Cop - so prepare for an outpouring of "THE VIOLENT LEFT!" rhetoric in the coming week.

Oh no, the violent left attacked a concentration camp.

I am so shocked and horrified.

At the existence of concentration camps in my country.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 14th 2019 at 7:08:54 AM

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#284902: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:08:53 AM

Suddenly I'm reminded of that old former Sanders' supporter and Green Partier who tried to assassinate a bunch of Republican Congresspeople.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#284903: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:27:49 AM

Anyone caught up on the latest Pelosi-Justice Dems feud? This is why I stopped caring whenever tropers accused others of being sexist or racist for supporting Sanders and Warren way back when. The warring democratic factions will always resort to it when they're losing.

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#284904: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:30:57 AM

I'll be honest. Watching what the Republican party is doing to my country pisses me off and makes me want to fight. Watching people who should be sharing common cause fight each other makes me want to give up.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#284905: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:32:46 AM

Ohh nooo, someone attacked the totally harmless and justifiable concentration cam- I mean “detention facilities”. This is awfuuuuul.

It would be a shame if this were to happen again and again until eventually the government was forced to shut down the camps. Truly a terrible sequence of events. One that I do not want at all.

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#284906: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:38:28 AM

[up][up][up] "Trump, Pelosi should listen and learn"

Oh yeah, I really like how that Op-ed writer puts Trump and Pelosi in the same category. /sarc

This is why I generally don't link to op-eds.

[up] ...Are you seriously okay with people engaging in an armed uprising?

This is going well and beyond protest. And let's not forget that the guy's main motivation wasn't really about those people in the camps. It was about him and his issues that drove him to want to go down in a hail of bullets.

Edited by M84 on Jul 14th 2019 at 9:41:03 PM

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#284907: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:39:54 AM

I wonder if history will remember that guy who tried to attack the concentration camp as a hero.

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#284908: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:42:39 AM

Seriously, are people here actually hoping more people get themselves killed engaging in armed attacks like this?

Edited by M84 on Jul 14th 2019 at 9:43:38 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#284909: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:46:43 AM

I feel bad for the guy who was killed.

But I wouldn't mind if a bunch of people rioted and liberated the camps.

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#284910: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:47:49 AM

[up]That's a bit weird to hear from the self-proclaimed pacifist.

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#284911: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:48:22 AM

[up][up][up]I doubt it; he went down pretty fast.

This isn't completely related, but I've seen a fair share of talk about ho we need to revolt against the powers that be, and stuff (not here, but elsewhere), but no details on how.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jul 14th 2019 at 9:49:03 AM

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#284912: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:55:05 AM

> [up]That's a bit weird to hear from the self-proclaimed pacifist.

Pacifism applies to them not to other people basically

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#284913: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:56:33 AM

Yeah, I can't condone repeating the attack. Actually killing people is terrible optics and would only serve to turn the public against the left. Liberating the camps is a nice idea, but would need a massive support network and a lot of planning

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#284914: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:57:45 AM

Well, I know there's that joke of people mobilizing to rush Area 51. Sure would be a shame if large groups of people did the same thing to destroy the concentration camps...

I want to make one thing perfectly clear: I absolutely want people to mobilize and destroy the concentration camps. I am Jewish, and seeing concentration camps being set up here makes me appalled and disgusted. They are evil and horrible and they absolutely should be destroyed, with all the people inside saved and liberated.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#284915: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:57:50 AM

Yes, it's massive Hypocrisy to imagine a nonviolent liberation of people from prisons in a spontaneously uprising of outrage.

Seriously.

I'm a little sickened 500K will RSVP attacking Area 51 for aliens versus a liberation of their fellow humans.

And yes, because its my imagination, no one would die.

Edit:

[nja]

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 14th 2019 at 7:00:15 AM

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#284916: Jul 14th 2019 at 6:58:51 AM

No one is seriously rushing area 51,its a j o k e,allegedly

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#284917: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:00:15 AM

I would love an enormous actual protest that caused the camps to be abandoned.

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#284918: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:01:43 AM

And all you have to do to RSVP is click a button while browsing on your phone. Hardly a show of dedication and commitment. Especially compared to the thousands of people who actually did turn out nation-wide to protest the detention camps.

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#284919: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:01:48 AM

In theory, you could liberate the concentration camps with a massive support network and planning, but in practice... you are gonna have to deal with the fact that you are vastly outgunned by people who are all but eager to use deadly force against any kind of opposition. Any such liberation, therefore, would have to get violent sooner or later.

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#284920: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:04:02 AM

We're not talking about hypothetical nonlethal protests that result in liberation here.

We're talking about armed people going in guns blazing and accomplishing nothing save their own deaths. And possibly the deaths of others.

Are people here really hoping this repeats?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#284921: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:05:01 AM

Yeah.

I should also note that I'm a pacifist but I don't begrudge other people for using violence in self-defense. I just believe that it is my choice to use non-violent methods up to and including my own death before permanently harming someone.

It's always been a struggle with both my faith and anarchist revolutionary leanings.

We're talking about armed people going in guns blazing and accomplishing nothing save their own deaths. And possibly the deaths of others.

No, you're talking about that. We've moved on that. Poor bastard got himself killed and accomplished nothing.

Also, the camp is a continuing place of horror and atrocity.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 14th 2019 at 7:06:38 AM

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#284922: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:05:12 AM

Hm, a wave attack might actually work. But, again, you'd need a lot of planning and a serious support network to actually do anything meaningful once you've liberated the camp

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#284923: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:07:33 AM

And again, to make sure you actually succeed in liberating the camps.

Which, again, will require killing people.

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#284924: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:07:37 AM

[up][up][up]You realize you're still basically advocating violence here, right?

And as [up] pointed out, that is going to involve killing people.

I fail to see how a pacifist can condone this course of action.

Edited by M84 on Jul 14th 2019 at 10:09:04 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#284925: Jul 14th 2019 at 7:09:53 AM

In all likelihood, any group that storms the camps will be killed and will die for nothing.

However, I don't see any reason why you should condemn people for a hypothetical charging into the place and liberating everyone without hurting anyone.

It's absolutely moral that they be freed because they're not guilty of anything and should be. Its against the law but not morality.

It's an impossible goal not an evil one.

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